[Buddha-l] Non-arising

[JKirkpatrick]

That was my original objection to the Mahayana claim....the separation of the cognitive from the rest of the mind/body apparatus.
JK


That is also how I have come to experience it Michael. Moreover, I think it is an illusion in its own to separate cognition from emotion.
One does not come or go without the other.

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2010/2/19 Kansei　還西 <kansei at shingonan.de>:
> I am not sure about the issue concerning the emotions. I doubt it that 
> when one has a certain level of realization or insight that this 
> doesn't produce negative or disturbing emotions anymore.
> I think it is a matter of how far one has the capacity not to be 
> carried away be these disturbing emotions, being able not to be 
> trapped by them. Or, having the power to stay present in these 
> emotions without being pulled into the patterns they start to run. 
> Then there is nothing wrong with experiencing these emotions, one can 
> even say they do not disturb one anymore. They are just another 
> experience "in the world of coming and going", to use the phrase 
> Bernhard put so nicely.
>
> best wishes,
>
> michael
>
>
>
> JKirkpatrick wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Michael, I should have said 'demonstration' instead of 
>> 'proof.'
>>
>> But what I was gettting at is the issue of the emotions, which 
>> produce obscurances even when the cognitive realisation has been 
>> attained. Could one say that long practice deals with the emotional
>> hindrances?-- but that isn't said by such cognitively-oriented claims 
>> as the one under discussion (i.e., apprehending the true nature of 
>> things).
>> Best, Joanna
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> true realization of emptiness is not exclusive, it includes 
>> everything, every dharma, meaning every experience one has.
>> That's the way I understand it. So then, yes the suffering of 
>> attachment ends, because one has an insight into the true nature of 
>> things, of which emptiness is one.
>>
>> with best wishes,
>>
>> michael
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