[Buddha-l] Non-arising

[JKirkpatrick]

Point taken.
Joanna 

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I am not sure about the issue concerning the emotions. I doubt it
that when one has a certain level of realization or insight that
this doesn't produce negative or disturbing emotions anymore.
I think it is a matter of how far one has the capacity not to be
carried away be these disturbing emotions, being able not to be
trapped by them. Or, having the power to stay present in these
emotions without being pulled into the patterns they start to
run. Then there is nothing wrong with experiencing these
emotions, one can even say they do not disturb one anymore. They
are just another experience "in the world of coming and going",
to use the phrase Bernhard put so nicely.

best wishes,

michael



JKirkpatrick wrote:
> Thanks Michael, I should have said 'demonstration' instead of
'proof.'
>
> But what I was gettting at is the issue of the emotions, which
produce 
> obscurances even when the cognitive realisation has been
attained.
> Could one say that long practice deals with the emotional
> hindrances?-- but that isn't said by such cognitively-oriented
claims 
> as the one under discussion (i.e., apprehending the true nature
of 
> things).
>
> Best, Joanna
>
>
>
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> true realization of emptiness is not exclusive, it includes 
> everything, every dharma, meaning every experience one has.
> That's the way I understand it. So then, yes the suffering of 
> attachment ends, because one has an insight into the true
nature of 
> things, of which emptiness is one.
>
> with best wishes,
>
> michael