[Buddha-l] Non-arising

[Kansei 還西]

I am not sure about the issue concerning the emotions. I doubt it that 
when one has a certain level of realization
or insight that this doesn't produce negative or disturbing emotions 
anymore.
I think it is a matter of how far one has the capacity not to be carried 
away be these disturbing emotions,
being able not to be trapped by them. Or, having the power to stay 
present in these emotions without being
pulled into the patterns they start to run. Then there is nothing wrong 
with experiencing these emotions, one
can even say they do not disturb one anymore. They are just another 
experience "in the world of coming and
going", to use the phrase Bernhard put so nicely.

best wishes,

michael



JKirkpatrick wrote:
> Thanks Michael, I should have said 'demonstration' instead of
> 'proof.'
>
> But what I was gettting at is the issue of the emotions, which
> produce obscurances even when the cognitive realisation has been
> attained. 
> Could one say that long practice deals with the emotional
> hindrances?-- but that isn't said by such cognitively-oriented
> claims as the one under discussion (i.e., apprehending the true
> nature of things). 
>
> Best, Joanna
>
>
>
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>
> true realization of emptiness is not exclusive, it includes
> everything, every dharma, meaning every experience one has.
> That's the way I understand it. So then, yes the suffering of
> attachment ends, because one has an insight into the true nature
> of things, of which emptiness is one.
>
> with best wishes,
>
> michael
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