[Buddha-l] Non-arising

[JKirkpatrick]

Thanks Michael, I should have said 'demonstration' instead of
'proof.'

But what I was gettting at is the issue of the emotions, which
produce obscurances even when the cognitive realisation has been
attained. 
Could one say that long practice deals with the emotional
hindrances?-- but that isn't said by such cognitively-oriented
claims as the one under discussion (i.e., apprehending the true
nature of things). 

Best, Joanna



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true realization of emptiness is not exclusive, it includes
everything, every dharma, meaning every experience one has.
That's the way I understand it. So then, yes the suffering of
attachment ends, because one has an insight into the true nature
of things, of which emptiness is one.

with best wishes,

michael


JKirkpatrick wrote:
> "Once one understands the true nature of dharmas as empty, or
nirvana 
> from the beginning, this loosens the grip of the habitual
tendency to 
> see them otherwise. With practice, one can overcome this
tendency 
> completely, which in turn eliminates attachment and the
suffering that 
> is said to arise from it. "
>  
> Well, on second thought, what about attachment to
nonattachment? 
> Certainly a logical question, but in general, I don't see the
proof 
> either that realisation of the essencelessness (emptiness)
> of things automatically ends the suffering of attachment.   
>
> Skeptically yours,
> JK