[Buddha-l] Happy Halloween! Buddha-L is defunct!
donnab at hawaii.edu
Fri Nov 1 02:37:59 MDT 2013
Mahalo...or should that be hsieh hsieh nin? Did try briefly to learn
Chinese but whenever I have tried to say anything in Chinese I get a blank
stare, no matter which dialect I try.
Have a safe and joyful day,
donna Bair-Mundy, Ph.D.
Instructor, LIS Program
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<donnab at hawaii.edu>
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Dan Lusthaus wrote:
> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 04:30:58 -0400
> From: Dan Lusthaus <vasubandhu at earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: Buddhist discussion forum <buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com>
> To: Buddhist discussion forum <buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com>
> Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] Happy Halloween! Buddha-L is defunct!
>> Before this list goes away I was hoping that I could get some pointers
>> to good translations and commentaries regarding the Surangama Sutra. donna
>> Bair-Mundy, Ph.D.
> First, one has to distinguish between two entirely different texts.
> One is a "legitimate" Indian text that survives in Chinese translation called
> the Surangama-samadhi sutra. It was often translated together with the
> Vimalakirti Sutra. Etienne Lamotte translated that into French with excellent
> annotation, and Sara Webb-Boin translated that into English. You can get a
> PDF of the English version at
> Some years also found the French edition in an online PDF. If you search
> around the web you can probably find that as well, if you prefer.
> The other text, which is the one I suspect you are interested in, is a
> Chinese apocryphal text, which means it was composed in China but was passed
> off as a translation of an Indian text. It has been very popular in East Asia
> and Vietnam, and remains so to this day. There is an old but decent
> translation of it by Lu Kuan-yu (also known as Charles Luk). A PDF at
> This includes selections from the commentary by Hanshan Deqing (Han-shan
> te-ch'ing) -- that's Silly Mountain, not the poet Cold Mountain. Hanshan was
> one of the most important and brilliant Buddhist monks of the Ming dynasty,
> sometimes considered the 7th patriarch of Chan. Lu translated many of
> Hanshan's works.
> Master Hsuan Hua (Xuanhua) of the 10,000 Buddhas held the apocryphal
> Suramgama in high regard so back in the '70s his followers published a
> serialized translation interspersed between his commentary. After he died,
> they redid the work, attempted to argue that it was an authentic Indian text
> (elsewise, why devote so much devotion to it?), and that is available here:
> To sample their earlier work and get a sense of their approach, see Ron
> Epstein's website:
> Beyond that, time to learn Chinese.
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