[Buddha-l] Bourgeois Buddhism

[Federico Andino]

Ok, but it is a fact that Nichiren are buddhists? Or the concept of
buddhism is not contradictory with, say, their reading of the Lotus
Sutra? If not, what does happen to them?

F

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Erik Hoogcarspel <jehms at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On 06-10-11 15:59, Federico Andino wrote:
>> It is a fact only in a fixed point in time. It may waver, but the
>> continuation of it would make a way of life, I think.
> In that case it's either up to you or not. In the first case you have a
> decision to make, in the second you have to accept it. The reasons for
> your decision can be valid or not, not true. Truth is about the relation
> between language and facts, i.e. our conventional world. Now Buddhism is
> a fact because people have decided they want to be Buddhists and
> probably they will continue to do so in the future. The reasons why they
> chose to do so are not facts. These reasons can only be based on the
> meaning Buddhism as a teaching or philosophy has for them. This
> discussion is about the question if among those reasons there are any
> that are specific for Buddhism. In the factual world we don't know what
> reasons all people have for their decicions. So there the discussion has
> no meaning. The only way to discuss this is to stay in a conceptual
> world, where not fact but reasons are decisive.
>
> erik
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Erik Hoogcarspel<jehms at xs4all.nl>  wrote:
>>> On 06-10-11 13:20, Federico Andino wrote:
>>>>> I detect at least three approaches. One is scientific, as Federico has laid it
>>>>> out. The other is a practictioner,  as I believe Jack gave us earlier.  But
>>>>> then there is the philosophical, where we want to know not only what is the
>>>>> case, and what works, but what is true, or at least self-consistent.
>>>>>
>>>>> This brings me back to my earlier question, why is the Buddhadharma different?
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andy Stroble,
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> In a philosophical context, self-consistent does not necessarily equals truth.
>>>> So something can be inconsisten and true, like kinds of buddhism or my
>>>> comitment to diet.
>>>>
>>> I think this is  a false comparison. Your commitment is a fact and not a
>>> way of life.
>>> According to the Buddha is that what his teaching made difficult to
>>> understand the concept of pratItyasamutpAda, which was a step away from
>>> the existing concepts of causal relationship.
>>>
>>> erik
>
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