[Buddha-l] As Swami goes, so goes the nation? (Dan Lusthaus and Richard P. Hayes)

[Erik Hoogcarspel]

Op 26-4-2010 8:18, Dan Lusthaus schreef:
> While Richard is in a generous Skt-translation mood, perhaps he (or any
> other skt-wallah lurking on the list) might like to take a crack at the
> following karika from Nagarjuna's Mula-madhyamaka-karika. This is k.9 from
> ch. 25 (the Nirvana ch.), and it came up during the aforementioned
> Madhyamaka Symposium.
>
> ya ājavaṃjavībhāva upādāya pratītya vā |
> so 'pratītyānupādāya nirvāṇam upadiśyate || MMK_25,09
>
> The Tib. rendering hid all the tensions and difficulties, but the Skt
> strikes me -- based on the relation between the lines -- to be quite
> challenging. Some people thought this verse was no big problem, but could
> only offer gloss explanations, not translations. Others simply refused to
> try to translate it (one read it , mulled it over for a few moments and
> said: "Oh, please! I haven't had my morning coffee yet!). So, hopefully
> Richard has had his and would be willing to give us a rendering -- as close
>    
> to the "logical" structure of the original as possible -- ya X so non-X --
> with due justice to the terms upādāya, pratītya and [the easiest?]
> upadiśyate.
>
> Part of the reason I ask is that more than one candidate for the "climactic"
> verse of MMK was proposed. I nominated this one, and dubbed it the first
> Buddhist koan.
>
>    
I'll just contribute my five cents:
That which is in the state of restless moving about has attachment and 
is dependent, nirvāṇa however is thought to be that which is without 
attachment and independent.

erik