[Buddha-l] Aupaduka

[Piya Tan]

Thanks Dan for your kind response.

The Abhidharmakosa citations are helpful.

Abhdhk 9-bc which says "Beings in hell, intermediate beings, and the
gods are apparitional [upapaaduka], too" is helpful to my
investigation. Here we have an overlap (part-synonym) between
antaraabhava and upapaaduka. It's a good start for further
development. Now to see if we can fairly apply this to the Pali
cognate, opapaatika.

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dan Lusthaus <vasubandhu at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Piya,
>
> Perhaps one of our Tibetan specialists can give you more precise or accurate
> information. Which of Vinitadeva's texts does Deeg claim this passage is
> found?
>

Max Deeg (School of Religious and Theological Studies, Cardiff Univ,
UK) quotes Monika Zin & Dieter Schlingoff, Saṁsāracakra. Das Rad der
Wiedergeburten in der indischen Überlief¬er¬ung, Dusseldorf, 2007: 24,
115

Best wishes,

Piya



> As for the terms themselves:
>
> brdzus te ske ka'i sems can (notice, it is ka'i, not k'ai) breaks down
> something like this:
>
> brdzus = transformed into, miraculous
> te = continuative particle
> ske ka'i = neck and head, origin, root
> sems can = sattva
>
> So this could be taken as equivalent to "spontaneous born" of the four types
> of birth (i.e., aupapaaduka = upapaaduka).
>
> bar ma do'i srid pa'i = antarabhaava
>
> Identifying the spontaneously-born with the antarabhaava is an interesting
> exegetical idea (since later Buddhists have been hard-pressed to find any
> known actual sentient beings that fit that description -- most candidates
> are curious, nonempirical "beings"). If Vinitadeva does that, he is probably
> drawing somehow on the Abhidharmakosa.
>
> In the Abhidharmako"sa, see  2.14 and bhasya for discussion of upapaaduka
> beings. And see 3.8c-d-bhasya for a precise definition (and the claim that
> it is the best of the four types of birth, followed by an apologia for why
> bodhisattvas when born in the life they are to become Buddhas are
> nonetheless womb-born; it is also the worst of the births since it can
> happen in the lower gatis as well). This is followed (3.10 and followng) by
> a discussion of the antarabhava. They seem to be different (3.9bc lists them
> separately), though Vasubandhu points out some similarities.
>
> Dan
>
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