[Buddha-l] Question for acedemic teachers of Buddhism

[jkirk]

>"between all the naughty bits and the great speeches by Satan
it's almost enough to give Puritanism a good name."  neat thought
there........... 

Ah yes.. and I wonder if NY state by now has no-fault
divorce--when I was divorcing for the third time back in the day
it was fault-- I made up a story to take the blame because my
green-card husband wouldn't. If I had moved back to VT before
divorcing, we'd have been fine.
Milton's first wife was a seventeen year old (he was
thirty-three)--she quickly went home to Papa, who owed Milton
some money. That struck me, in the article, as leaving a lot
unsaid. 

In childhood everything is black or white--the benefit of years
is learning that we are all sinners and to recognize that nobody
and nothing is perfect, that perfection (truth) doesn't exist in
this world. 
Apparently this year a large number of new books on Milton are
out or coming out. It might take a year to read the really good
ones.

Joanna


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Milton is wonderful! So much of what I have enjoyed reading
throughout my entire life has been stuff in translation (Homer,
Plato, Dostoyevsky, Kafka, Trotsky, Buddha, Hakuin ... ). But
there is nothing like reading someone who is a true master of
language in one's own mother tongue. And Paradise Lost is really
hot stuff - between all the naughty bits and the great speeches
by Satan it's almost enough to give Puritanism a good name.

Milton was jailed for his politicking - much of which centered on
social/cultural issues. He was in favor of what we would today
call "no-fault" divorce - a concept that the state of Maryland
still only hesitantly accepts in the 21st century!

Curt Steinmetz

jkirk wrote:
> "He [Jung] makes a good case for the importance of spending a
lifetime 
> maturing into the mythology of the tradition one learned as a
child. "
>
> Along this line, I was re-inspired by my Protestant childhood
myths 
> and legends by reading a review article about John Milton,
whose 400th 
> birth anniversay is this year, June 2d New Yorker:
> "Return to Paradise," by Jonathan Rosen.
> http://tinyurl.com/688rah
>
> When I was in college I couldn't stand to read Milton. Now it
might be 
> about time to try at least Areopagitica, his defense of free
speech 
> (at a time when contrary to the legends of my childhood, my
country no 
> longer has it); and even Paradise Lost, again. Milton's Adam
and Eve 
> had the temerity to enjoy sex before the Fall. Adam chose to
fall with 
> her--contrary to renderings from my youth as Man deceived by
wily 
> Woman, instead of by Satan.
>
> "How can I live without you, how forgo Thy sweet converse and
love so 
> dearly Joined, To live again in these wild woods forlorn?
> Should God create another Eve, and I
> Another rib afford, yet loss of thee
> Would never from my heart."
>
> Milton despite being a Puritan was also quite the free-thinker.
> Joanna
>
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>> I don't think Jung was very knowledgeable about Buddhism.
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> That makes no difference to his claim, which is about human 
> psychology.
> He makes a good case for the importance of spending a lifetime 
> maturing into the mythology of the tradition one learned as a
child.
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