[Buddha-l] Re: Magic

[Chan Fu]

On 6/24/07, Joy Vriens <joy at vrienstrad.com> wrote:
> Hi Chan FU,

Salud! Joy,

> >Rebellion seems a good way to get things done. I'd have to agree with him
> >even though we have no evidence that it was effective. But when you can't
> >muster enough reason, simple "shove the opposite in your face" rebellion
> >seems to be a good substitute. That's what kids do - illustrative rather than
> >discursive. Very 'buddhist' of them, eh?
>
> It doesn't have to be effective. If you feel emprisoned by a perspective, you can open up another one. As long as you act from the new perspective, you have a certain freedom or sense of freedom. Freedom is largely a question of sense rather than reality.

That would seem pretty effective, then. Hopefully, they'll close
Guantanamo though.

> You don't even have to shove in the other's face. Unless you want more intensity, but that is an impasse, cause you will end up as an intensity junkie, craving for more. If you know freedom is a sense rather than a reality and you trust your freedom you don't need intensity and feedback. It's like authority, when you need to express authority, you don't really have it. Same with freedom.

Well put.
I was taking a Michael Moore perspective on the "getting things done" bit.

> >> I don't think de Sade considered himself a satanist, but he shared the same need of rebellion against the Christian environment. As did fictional (but expressing real opinions) characters as Dr. Faustus and Don Juan.
> >I think I don't think about how dead people consider themselves, ideologically.
> >But I'm quite sure that ideologists enjoy it, from current evidence.
>
> One can enjoy one's thinking, wherever it goes.

I enjoy both my mental kalideoscope and others',
but I usually revert to chocolate in the end... :-)