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[Piya Tan]

May the circular logic make a break and ascend into spiral logic and beyond.

Piya


On 8/28/07, mc1 at aol.com <mc1 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Joy,
>
>     What a lovely response. Unless you object, I'll read it to my class
> ... with some
> exceptions...
>
> Every text indeed deserves its own appreciation without prejudice
> or bias but I'm not sure every text is entitled to its own svabhava
> without regard to context.
> That might not be your exact meaning but it is my motivation - what
> informed the Buddha's early on?
> Didn't Siddhartha conquer one of Mara's onslaughts with the aid of Indra's
> Vedic crew? He had help and
> it helps me to structure teaching with reference to contexts.
>
> That said, I too have learned to be indifferent to influences on a
> particular text or school of thought but only
> as far as my personal spirituality is concerned. I know more about Samkhya
> and Vedanta than Buddhism,
> and do not worry over being called a "pseudo-Buddhist" despite Gaudapada
> whirling a fire-brand just like
> a Sunyavadin.
>
> thanks for the 'not answer' - michael
>
> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:22:50 +0200
> From: "Joy Vriens"<jvriens at free.fr>
> Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] samkhya, vedanta and buddhism
> To: "buddha-l"<buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com>
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> Hi Michael,
>
> >MIght any esteemed members refer me to a text or article that discusses
> the??
> >influence of Samkhya and\or the Upanishads on early buddhism?
>
> This will be absolutely no help to you at all and is hardly related to
> your
> question but I would be interested too in such references and in what they
> will
> have to say. On what basis they say what they say and whether there will
> be any
> truth in what they say. Just to see them wriggle.
>
> After years of struggle to try and find out in my rare spare time who
> influenced
> whom, I have decided to put them all in the same bag (sounds a bit
> derogatory,
> but mine is a golden embroidered bag that I treat with respect). I am
> learning
> to read those texts for what they are. I have decided it is too
> complicated to
> read e.g. a Jain text as a Buddhist. Why should I read a text *as* a
> Buddhist?
> Why would I introduce any Buddhism between me and what I read? Am I
> married to
> it? Am I its keeper? Do I want to be a nuance hunter? I am not paid to be
> a
> guardian of the Buddhism temple, carefully carved out of the rock of
> (Indian)
> cults, philosophy, religion. I haven't been charged nor do I feel called
> to
> restaure its delimitations as soon as some of them become blurred. So when
> I
> read the Samkhya Karika, Upanishads, Yogindu, the Lankavatara etc. I
> forget on
> what territory I am, skip all the "Yes but" and I enjoy what I read. From
> now on
> when I read (preferrably territory free texts)!
> ?, I will do so without the filter of any -isms, imagining they are all
> talking
> about the same thing. Thus I hope to enter circular logic. There is no
> happiness
> outside circular logic.
>
> Quietistically yours,
>
> Joy
>
> ?
>
> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:22:50 +0200
>
>
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