[Buddha-l] anti-Israel and anti-semitism

[jkirk]

This conversation has gone way off topic and this is the last I shall write 
on this thread. I feel the need to correct some of your misinformation.

 If you think that all Muslim women are submitting to being victims, you've 
lost touch with what's going on.
There are movements among orthodox Muslim women to restore their rights as 
given in the Koran, and also among not-radical Muslim women to reform Islam 
itself.
Meanwhile, the predominant victims of Islamic male chauvinism ARE women, and 
it has nothing to do with deserts. Similar gender disparities are found in 
tropical areas as well, among non-Muslims.

I also mentioned in my original post feeling compassion for men---namely the 
brothers of women who are forced to murder them to protect family honor as 
well as for the men who must suffer dukkha for mistreating women --we can 
add children to that one as well.
Cheers~~~~~~~~J
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> jkirk wrote:
>> I was writing about having compassion for Muslims, which you seemed to 
>> think Buddhists didn't have, not about "calling people names."
> I didn't mean to accuse just you, I was just referring to the drift of the 
> discussion and Herr Fink was just half a step away from calling muslims 
> all kinds of names.
>>
>> I don't get your question about did I think they were model beings before 
>> becoming Muslim 'beasts' (your choice of terms). Who said anything about 
>> 'model beings?' You seem to have a problem sticking to the point.
> The point is that it's no use to accuse people of all kinds of things. It 
> just leads the attention away from the cause of the problem, which is not 
> the individual, but the tribal harsh culture of the desert. In fact 
> there's a circle not unlike the 12 nidanas with on one side the education 
> and on the other side bad behaviour, not feeling at home in the world, 
> tribalism and inflated ego's. In other words the women are part of the 
> problem, victims and could become part of the solution. So I don't see why 
> the muslim men, who are also a victim of their upbringing wouldn't deserve 
> our compassion as well.
>
> Erik
>
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