[Buddha-l] prostrations, anti-Israel and anti-semitism

[jkirk]

Hi Lara,
You are so right about wahhabism being a non-majority Islamic
sect. But the Islamic world is slowly getting there.  Why? because
the Saudis have been propagating wahhabism in various
countries with Muslim majorities (and also minorities) all over
the world for at least two decades now, if not more,
courtesy of their zillions of petrodollars. How is it done?
By building mosques and religious schools and establishing wahhabist
imams and teachers in them, either for free (to such areas as
Bangladesh and southern Thailand, to name only two) or for no-interest
loans. (The Thai Muslims of southern Thailand never used to wear
hijab nor did the men grow beards until the Saudi propagandists
got through to them. Bangladeshi villagers never punished women by
stoning until the wahhabis got through to the villagers.)
Some of the Sunni Gulf states similarly contributed to the movement.
Those generations so indoctrinated are now adults, susceptible
to jihadist propaganda and goals fostered by wahhabi missionaries and
imams.
Has there been a reaction to this historical movement among Muslims?
Yes, among mostly western-educated Muslims from many different
countries a movement to reform Islam is growing.

I write this for the record, without reference to the bile
posted by Thomas Fink.
Joanna
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A conversation about problems with Wahabi Islam is a
totally different conversation - perhaps the kind of
productive  and engaged conversation one could have
with anyone on this list or any Muslim in one's
neighborhood.  A blanket call against Islam as a
religion of hate, marking every religious practice of
a billion people (most not Wahabis) as cultivation of
hate, is ignorant and racist.  There is a big
difference.  The latter helps to alientate and
demoralize people.  It is hate speech and requires
response.

The climate of fear even on this list is such that
people who share my views always respond off-list. For
everyone's information, I have had a number of
students at my university approach me to thank me for
saying something, anything against some of the
hateful, essentializing material that shows up here.

Lara Braitstein


--- Nichts <nichtsistnichts at filousophie.de> wrote:

> Am 24.09.2006 um 19:11 schrieb Braitstein Lara:
> > And you know, I've met Buddhists who prostrate up
> to
> > 5000 times a day.
> I never did it more than 500 times a day. And my
> experience is
> accurately condensed in this little piece by John
> (Major) Perks (from
> "The Mahasiddha and His Idiot Servant"):

> Vaseline for jerking off.
> I reach down to hold my penis. It gets hard as I
> think of >womans
> name<. "wow," I think, "Rinpoche is really crazy."<<
> Don´t you think we are now ready for Guantanamo?
>
> > You might want to
> > consider educating yourself.
> Have you ever read the works of the founders of the
> Muslim Brotherhood
> and the works of their successors? Have you read the
> works of the
> founder of the Wahabi movement? Do you know at least
> who I am talking
> about? (Not Osama) Do you know anything tangible
> about this humans and
> their movements? Or do they just exist as a
> deconstucted entity worth
> your global affection in this balanced world you
> like to inhibit?
> Anyway, it´s a little bit like with Adolfs "My
> Struggle". Not many
> besides the fanatic followers have really read it.
> And the very few
> non-followers, who read it, could not believe that
> he really meant what
> he proposed (which was a deadly mistake for many
> german jews). Unlike
> Adolf, this Muslims I am talking about are in some
> way very reasonable
> and very well educated people and there is beauty in
> their writings.
> But the proposals, the consequences, are pretty much
> the same as
> Adolfs. Anti-semitism is not a question of education
> or no education,
> of wealth or no wealth, not even of jew or no jew.
> Some of the best
> anti-semites have been jews. And some white, blue
> eyed aryans like me
> go to anti-nazi demonstrations cheering Israel Flags
> to give the
> multicultural peace-movement people an opportunity
> to unite by common
> interest with their archenemy, the nazi-movement.
>
> Shalom and all the best,
> dream further,
>
> Thomas Fink
>
>
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