[Buddha-l] Buddhism and psychoactive substances

[Stuart Lachs]

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From: "Barnaby Thieme" <bathieme at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] Buddhism and psychoactive substances


> Hi Stuart
>
> Context: we were comparing intramuscular injection of DMT (Strassman 
> study) versus oral administration of psilocybin (Griffiths et al.).
>
> Interesting to hear about the experiences of the 60s - thanks for the 
> info. :)
>
> regards,
> Barnaby
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>>From: "Stuart Lachs" <slachs at worldnet.att.net>
>>Reply-To: Buddhist discussion forum <buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com>
>>To: "Buddhist discussion forum" <buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] Buddhism and psychoactive substances
>>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:32:27 -0400
>>
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>>.
>>Barnaby wrote:
>>>I am not quite sure what you mean in your discussion of dosage. Oral 
>>>ingestion of psychoactive substances is not less precise than 
>>>intramuscular injection. One goes in the arm, and the other goes in your 
>>>stomach, but the precision of measurement is the same.
>>
>>I have not followed this thread closely. Back in the flying 1960's DMT 
>>(dimethyl tryptamine) was a crystal like substance that was smoked from a 
>>pipe. It was almost instantaneous in its effect. The minute it hit the 
>>back of the throat, it was felt in the head. It seemed to be absorbed 
>>through the mucuous membranes of the mouth, top of the throat, and 
>>probably the lungs. Usually people passed the pipe as they say. A few 
>>tokes was all most people could take. It was fast and furious, lasting 
>>about 15 -30 minutes. DMT did, with some people seem to induce "mystical" 
>>type experiences of oneness. There was a rumor at the time, people said 
>>spread by the government,  that it destroyed brain cells.
>>
>>There was a similar crystal like substance, DET (diethyl tryptamine) 
>>around at the time that was also instantaneous, but I don't think it was 
>>as popular as DMT.
>>
>>With both DMT and DET it would be hard to tell the exact dose taken 
>>because of the way it was ingested. Was it a deep long "toke" or a short 
>>shallow one, how long was it held in the lungs, ....?
>>
>>Many, may be most people who became involved with Buddhism at that time 
>>(late 1960's), had previously taken psychedelics. Some did not stop after 
>>becoming involved with Buddhism, inspite of warnings from teachers.
>>
>>Stuart
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