[Buddha-l] Are we sick of dogma yet? (2nd of 2)

[Joy Vriens]

Dan wrote:

>Our version of Buddhist "history" still hardly reflects that 
>historical reality, and the disappearance of their literature in the Indic 
>originals (with the paucity of surviving translations that are, themselves, 
>difficult to read) suggests that the "missionaries" who transplanted what we 
>think of as Buddhism today in places like China and Tibet, were the 
>minorities, the "Mormons" of Indian Buddhism. That is not merely of museum 
>interest, but goes to the heart of how we think about what Buddhism is. That 
>Santideva was basically a pudgalavadin ("a rose by any other name..."), 
>though we fail to recognize that, is of importance. 

What Santideva are we talking about here? The founder of the Avaivartika Sangha (6th c. see Shantideva Society) or the Shantideva from Nalanda (8th c.)? 

Joy