[Buddha-l] Silence of the List

Gad Horowitz horowitz at chass.utoronto.ca
Tue Nov 1 23:17:11 MST 2005


I think "justification" as in "making it righty, or just" has nothing to do
with it.  What, other than my karma, could make me do anything?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "curt" <curt at cola.iges.org>
To: "Buddhist discussion forum" <buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] Silence of the List


> Would Shinran accept the view that his teaching should be seen not in
> terms of absolute truth but rather in terms of "upaya"? In particular,
> would this "teaching" be seen as a specific "medicine" for a specific
> "disease" - for instance the disease of attachment to the idea of one's
> own goodness? I hope so - otherwise it appears to be a justification for
> .... just about anything. As in "my karma made me do it".
> - Curt
>
> Gad Horowitz wrote:
>
> >speaking of karma, here is a nice quotation from Shinran:
> >"Because you lack the karmic necessity to kill even a single person, you
do
> >not commit murder.  That is why you do not kill, not because YOU are
GOOD.
> >On the other hand, even though you did not want to kill, it may so happen
> >that you nevertheless kill hundreds or thousands of people>" and he would
> >apply this to Rumsfeld, Rove, and me and thee, would he not?
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Richard P. Hayes" <rhayes at unm.edu>
> >To: "Buddhist discussion forum" <buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com>
> >Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:47 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] Silence of the List
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> >
> >
> >>On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 09:21 -0500, curt wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I thought we were all busy writing thank you notes to Patrick
Fitzgerald
> >>>and Joseph Wilson.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>No thank you notes are in order until Karl Rove is behind bars at
> >>Guantánamo and Don Rumsfeld is locked up with a room full of dogs in Abu
> >>Ghraib. As Robert Dylan almost said "It's karma-vipaaka that we need to
> >>get back to work again."
> >>
> >>
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