From joy.vriens at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 05:43:21 2013 From: joy.vriens at gmail.com (Joy Vriens) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 13:43:21 +0200 Subject: [Buddha-l] " China destroys the ancient Buddhist symbol of Lhasa City in Tibet" In-Reply-To: <002a01ce5d4a$3cead8b0$b6c08a10$@spro.net> References: <51A6EFF6.1020206@gmail.com> <002a01ce5d4a$3cead8b0$b6c08a10$@spro.net> Message-ID: <51AC8159.2080507@gmail.com> *http://tinyurl.com/n6rej34* From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Mon Jun 3 07:02:36 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:02:36 -0400 Subject: [Buddha-l] " China destroys the ancient Buddhist symbol of Lhasa City in Tibet" References: <51A6EFF6.1020206@gmail.com><002a01ce5d4a$3cead8b0$b6c08a10$@spro.net> <51AC8159.2080507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <541E1259F1F746D39F9CBF657C9CE907@Dan> > http://tinyurl.com/n6rej34 Thanks, Joy. And the fuller context re: China's global activities, not Tibet, from Sunday's NYTimes. Why they dare to do what they do with impunity and soft arrogance. http://tinyurl.com/mh94hcf Dan From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Mon Jun 3 07:20:09 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Buddha-l] " China destroys the ancient Buddhist symbol of Lhasa City in Tibet" References: <51A6EFF6.1020206@gmail.com><002a01ce5d4a$3cead8b0$b6c08a10$@spro.net> <51AC8159.2080507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9DB0BAAFE4FF4C61851C2B78C703ACA2@Dan> Additionally, while we have discussed on this list how the main one to profit from the war in Afghanistan has been China (and the copper mine at Mes Aynak which is about to eradicate nearly 1000 years of irreplaceable Afghani Buddhist history), guess who is managing to gain the most benefit/profit from Iraq? NYT http://tinyurl.com/kz8ykq3 First two paragraphs reads: "Since the American-led invasion of 2003, Iraq has become one of the world's top oil producers, and China is now its biggest customer. "China already buys nearly half the oil that Iraq produces, nearly 1.5 million barrels a day, and is angling for an even bigger share, bidding for a stake now owned by Exxon Mobil in one of Iraq's largest oil fields. " Read the article for further details. Dan From stroble at hawaii.edu Fri Jun 7 02:19:00 2013 From: stroble at hawaii.edu (James A Stroble) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:19:00 -1000 Subject: [Buddha-l] Compassionate Violence? In-Reply-To: <859EB867-436D-4476-8204-BC438C6AD5C8@gmail.com> References: <20130523225003.0049c639@Spinoza> <002501ce588d$7da6cec0$78f46c40$@spro.net> <20130524093638.20cdf22b@Spinoza> <003101ce58dc$6cefd730$46cf8590$@spro.net> <20130524222642.2c6b8d39@Spinoza> <54739B1D-902B-49C7-9553-6F28F18C1A75@gmail.com> <20130529212422.557c22c0@Spinoza> <20130531132727.5e5b5648@Spinoza> <047BD5D8640346C2BC4B35FE2FB5873B@Dan> <859EB867-436D-4476-8204-BC438C6AD5C8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130606221900.7613b4ab@Spinoza> On Fri, 31 May 2013 22:21:33 -0600 Richard Hayes wrote: > On May 31, 2013, at 21:07, "Dan Lusthaus" > wrote: > > > The issue is intent -- he has to be willing to go to hell for his > > deed, not act with presumed impunity. > > A lot of ink is being spilled on this issue in recent years. Charles > Goodman has argued that overdemandingness is a typical feature of > consequentialism. Some modern consequentialists have argued that it > is immoral not to exhaust all one's personal resources as long as > there are people more needy than oneself. It is immoral, they say, to > own a home as long as others are homeless, or to eat when others are > starving, even if the others are thousands of miles away. Goodman > claims that the bodhisattva literature makes similar demands on the > bodhisattva. The bodhisattva, he says, must take the risk of going to > hell for killing a wicked person who would do great evil if he were > allowed to live. And this over-demandingness, he says, shows that > Mah?y?na is essentially consequentialist in nature. Yes, but if the bodhsattva _knows_, then it is not self-sacrifice? And if the bodhisattva doesn't know, how could the act be justified? > > Those who disagree with Goodman point out that there is no suggestion > that anyone is required to be a bodhisattva; being a hero is > voluntary, not compulsory. And heroism?doing more than one is obliged > to do?is what one associates more with virtue ethics than with > consequentialism. (Of course some virtue ethicists would argue that > there is nothing virtuous in purposely endangering oneself, even to > save others from danger; that is rashness, not bravery, and therefore > fails to find the mean between excess and deficiency. But that is > really another matter.) > Doing what one has as a duty to do is more deontology, and thus is definitely not consequentialism. Rashness depends not on the outcome, but on the obligation. Hmm, this gets interesting. > So far I have never seen anything that settles this dispute between > those who read Buddhism as virtue ethics and those who read it as > consequentialism. It may be another logomachy. > > Richard Logomachy, or logorhea? Of course, I am more interested in the justifications for violations of the Buddhist consequentialist theories. We take karma to be the crucial insight of Buddhism, that there is a cause for suffering. But if karma can be short-circuited by enlightened beings, we have to wonder if the whole system of accounting is not somehow misconstrued. One thing: in western just war thought (it is not a "theory"), war is justified if it prevents or rectifies greater wrongs. But it is clearly recognized as still being an evil, albeit a "lesser evil". I do not see that in the bodhisattva literature. An abundance of "merit" is absolute justification? The question then is who is to judge? -- Yours, James Andy Stroble Leeward Community College From chris.fynn at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 03:48:02 2013 From: chris.fynn at gmail.com (Christopher Fynn) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 15:48:02 +0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] Compassionate Violence? In-Reply-To: <20130606221900.7613b4ab@Spinoza> References: <20130523225003.0049c639@Spinoza> <002501ce588d$7da6cec0$78f46c40$@spro.net> <20130524093638.20cdf22b@Spinoza> <003101ce58dc$6cefd730$46cf8590$@spro.net> <20130524222642.2c6b8d39@Spinoza> <54739B1D-902B-49C7-9553-6F28F18C1A75@gmail.com> <20130529212422.557c22c0@Spinoza> <20130531132727.5e5b5648@Spinoza> <047BD5D8640346C2BC4B35FE2FB5873B@Dan> <859EB867-436D-4476-8204-BC438C6AD5C8@gmail.com> <20130606221900.7613b4ab@Spinoza> Message-ID: http://earlytibet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/vanschaik_khotan1.pdf "The story involves the visit of two Khotanese monks to Tibet. The monks hope to see Avalokite?vara face to face, and have been told that they may do so by travelling to Tibet and looking upon Songtsen Gampo, who is in fact Avalokite?vara in person. Upon their arrival in Tibet, the monks are shocked to see the execution, imprisonment and corporal punishment of criminals. Thinking that the bodhisattva of compassion could never countenance such cruelty, they resolve to go back to Khotan immediately. However, Songtsen Gampo, hearing of this, has them brought to the palace and shows himself to them in the form of Avalokite?vara. Speaking to them in Khotanese, the king assures the monks that the atrocities they witnessed were just magical illusions created by the king to ensure the rule of law in his land. The monks are filled with faith; they fall asleep in the palace and wake up back home in Khotan. This story addresses doubts regarding the compatibility of the king's enforcement of Tibet's laws with his identity as the bodhisattva of compassion, Avalokite?vara, by employing the common trope of magical illusion. In some sources the barbaric nature of the Tibetans is invoked at this point to justify the king's use of these violent illusions in enforcing the law, showing again the close link between the cultural emblems of the Red Faced Ones and the bodhisattva king. The prominence of this story in the histories does suggest that by the eleventh century there were some doubts among Tibetan Buddhists regarding the compatibility of the Tibetan kings' status as bodhisattvas, and the violence required of them as imperial rulers." From jayarava at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 04:02:31 2013 From: jayarava at gmail.com (Jayarava) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:02:31 +0100 Subject: [Buddha-l] Compassionate Violence? In-Reply-To: <20130606221900.7613b4ab@Spinoza> References: <20130523225003.0049c639@Spinoza> <002501ce588d$7da6cec0$78f46c40$@spro.net> <20130524093638.20cdf22b@Spinoza> <003101ce58dc$6cefd730$46cf8590$@spro.net> <20130524222642.2c6b8d39@Spinoza> <54739B1D-902B-49C7-9553-6F28F18C1A75@gmail.com> <20130529212422.557c22c0@Spinoza> <20130531132727.5e5b5648@Spinoza> <047BD5D8640346C2BC4B35FE2FB5873B@Dan> <859EB867-436D-4476-8204-BC438C6AD5C8@gmail.com> <20130606221900.7613b4ab@Spinoza> Message-ID: On 7 June 2013 09:19, James A Stroble wrote: > We take karma to be the crucial insight of Buddhism, that there is a cause for suffering. Is this what karma tells us? Dependent arising tells us that there are conditions for suffering. Karma tells us that no evil action, not even the most private of thoughts, goes unpunished. I think of these as two different branches of Buddhist metaphysics. Although they are mashed together the two doctrines are not entirely compatible since "imassim sati idam hoti" implies the condition must be present for the effect to occur, and karma clearly over-rides this and allows for dependence at a distance, even beyond death. I suspect that karma was simply how the culture that Buddhism emerged in thought about morality (possibly influenced by Zoroastrianism but that's another story). And once dependent arising was invented there was an attempt to apply it to everything (an attempt which is ongoing). > But if karma can be short-circuited by enlightened beings, we have to wonder if the whole system of accounting is not somehow misconstrued. It depends on which era you are thinking of. In early Buddhism not even the enlightened can avoid their karma - which is why Angulimala is pelted with missiles at the end of his eponymous sutta in it's P?li version, but not in the Chinese version which has a Mah?yana slant. Buddhaghosa also seems to believe you can run but not hide from karma and uses Dhammapada 127, and it's back story, to illustrate this. But the situation does change in the Mah?y?na which allows for escaping karma through pious observances (a little suffering now avoids a larger suffering later) - these are exemplified in Santideva's other book The Shiksasamuccaya. Pragmatic tantrikas with more important things to worry about boil it all down to a 100 syllables to be chanted when required. Post hoc rationalisations of bad behaviour are a standard feature of elites. Any war can be justified given a talented enough propagandist. Even a Buddhist war. Jayarava From ugg-5 at spro.net Fri Jun 7 09:34:41 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:34:41 -0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] Compassionate Violence? In-Reply-To: References: <20130523225003.0049c639@Spinoza> <002501ce588d$7da6cec0$78f46c40$@spro.net> <20130524093638.20cdf22b@Spinoza> <003101ce58dc$6cefd730$46cf8590$@spro.net> <20130524222642.2c6b8d39@Spinoza> <54739B1D-902B-49C7-9553-6F28F18C1A75@gmail.com> <20130529212422.557c22c0@Spinoza> <20130531132727.5e5b5648@Spinoza> <047BD5D8640346C2BC4B35FE2FB5873B@Dan> <859EB867-436D-4476-8204-BC438C6AD5C8@gmail.com> <20130606221900.7613b4ab@Spinoza> Message-ID: <004e01ce6394$882419e0$986c4da0$@spro.net> [.............] Post hoc rationalisations of bad behaviour are a standard feature of elites. Any war can be justified given a talented enough propagandist. Even a Buddhist war. Jayarava _______________________________________________ Yes indeed, as we saw with the Bush/Cheney war on Iraq, propagandized and promulgated via lies acceptable to a delusionary public. Also, we see this today in the propagandizing of 'authority' figures appearing on TV, asserting that massive secret applications of the Patriot Act and subsequent variations actually "saved us from a terrorist attack", said attack never identified. Meanwhile, the massive secret accumulations of phone numbers plus the PRISM spying on desktops and online activities did nothing to spare us from the Boston Marathon Bombers. Powerful elites rest easier with secret investigative machinery, the equivalent of Tibetan emperors? illusionary magick. Joanna From jayarava at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 11:19:40 2013 From: jayarava at gmail.com (Jayarava) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 18:19:40 +0100 Subject: [Buddha-l] Compassionate Violence? In-Reply-To: <004e01ce6394$882419e0$986c4da0$@spro.net> References: <20130523225003.0049c639@Spinoza> <002501ce588d$7da6cec0$78f46c40$@spro.net> <20130524093638.20cdf22b@Spinoza> <003101ce58dc$6cefd730$46cf8590$@spro.net> <20130524222642.2c6b8d39@Spinoza> <54739B1D-902B-49C7-9553-6F28F18C1A75@gmail.com> <20130529212422.557c22c0@Spinoza> <20130531132727.5e5b5648@Spinoza> <047BD5D8640346C2BC4B35FE2FB5873B@Dan> <859EB867-436D-4476-8204-BC438C6AD5C8@gmail.com> <20130606221900.7613b4ab@Spinoza> <004e01ce6394$882419e0$986c4da0$@spro.net> Message-ID: On 7 June 2013 16:34, Jo wrote: > Also, we see this today in the propagandizing of 'authority' figures appearing on TV, asserting that massive secret applications of the Patriot Act and subsequent variations actually "saved us from a terrorist attack", said attack never identified. Meanwhile, the massive secret accumulations of phone numbers plus the PRISM spying on desktops and online activities did nothing to spare us from the Boston Marathon Bombers. ?All warfare is based on deception.? ? Sun Tzu, The Art of War Jayarava From ugg-5 at spro.net Fri Jun 7 12:46:54 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 12:46:54 -0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] Compassionate Violence? In-Reply-To: References: <20130523225003.0049c639@Spinoza> <002501ce588d$7da6cec0$78f46c40$@spro.net> <20130524093638.20cdf22b@Spinoza> <003101ce58dc$6cefd730$46cf8590$@spro.net> <20130524222642.2c6b8d39@Spinoza> <54739B1D-902B-49C7-9553-6F28F18C1A75@gmail.com> <20130529212422.557c22c0@Spinoza> <20130531132727.5e5b5648@Spinoza> <047BD5D8640346C2BC4B35FE2FB5873B@Dan> <859EB867-436D-4476-8204-BC438C6AD5C8@gmail.com> <20130606221900.7613b4ab@Spinoza> <004e01ce6394$882419e0$986c4da0$@spro.net> Message-ID: <002601ce63af$625e31d0$271a9570$@spro.net> On 7 June 2013 16:34, Jo wrote: > Also, we see this today in the propagandizing of 'authority' figures appearing on TV, asserting that massive secret applications of the Patriot Act and subsequent variations actually "saved us from a terrorist attack", said attack never identified. Meanwhile, the massive secret accumulations of phone numbers plus the PRISM spying on desktops and online activities did nothing to spare us from the Boston Marathon Bombers. ?All warfare is based on deception.? ? Sun Tzu, The Art of War Jayarava _______________________________________________ We now feel like the warfare is on us, the citizens. Sun Tzu still applies. JK From jehms at xs4all.nl Fri Jun 7 14:39:45 2013 From: jehms at xs4all.nl (Erik Hoogcarspel) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 22:39:45 +0200 Subject: [Buddha-l] Compassionate Violence? In-Reply-To: References: <20130523225003.0049c639@Spinoza> <002501ce588d$7da6cec0$78f46c40$@spro.net> <20130524093638.20cdf22b@Spinoza> <003101ce58dc$6cefd730$46cf8590$@spro.net> <20130524222642.2c6b8d39@Spinoza> <54739B1D-902B-49C7-9553-6F28F18C1A75@gmail.com> <20130529212422.557c22c0@Spinoza> <20130531132727.5e5b5648@Spinoza> <047BD5D8640346C2BC4B35FE2FB5873B@Dan> <859EB867-436D-4476-8204-BC438C6AD5C8@gmail.com> <20130606221900.7613b4ab@Spinoza> <004e01ce6394$882419e0$986c4da0$@spro.net> Message-ID: <0a430d3c-fece-454f-a44d-267107de3f58@email.android.com> I wonder why we should believe him, perhaps he was already getting ready for next war. Erik Jayarava schreef: >On 7 June 2013 16:34, Jo wrote: > >> Also, we see this today in the propagandizing of 'authority' figures >appearing on TV, asserting that massive secret applications of the >Patriot Act and subsequent variations actually "saved us from a >terrorist attack", said attack never identified. Meanwhile, the >massive secret accumulations of phone numbers plus the PRISM spying on >desktops and online activities did nothing to spare us from the Boston >Marathon Bombers. > >?All warfare is based on deception.? ? Sun Tzu, The Art of War > >Jayarava >_______________________________________________ >buddha-l mailing list >buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com >http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. From stroble at hawaii.edu Sun Jun 9 23:31:04 2013 From: stroble at hawaii.edu (James A Stroble) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:31:04 -1000 Subject: [Buddha-l] Compassionate Violence? In-Reply-To: References: <20130523225003.0049c639@Spinoza> <002501ce588d$7da6cec0$78f46c40$@spro.net> <20130524093638.20cdf22b@Spinoza> <003101ce58dc$6cefd730$46cf8590$@spro.net> <20130524222642.2c6b8d39@Spinoza> <54739B1D-902B-49C7-9553-6F28F18C1A75@gmail.com> <20130529212422.557c22c0@Spinoza> <20130531132727.5e5b5648@Spinoza> <047BD5D8640346C2BC4B35FE2FB5873B@Dan> <859EB867-436D-4476-8204-BC438C6AD5C8@gmail.com> <20130606221900.7613b4ab@Spinoza> Message-ID: <20130609193104.039ee94a@Spinoza> On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 15:48:02 +0600 Christopher Fynn wrote: > http://earlytibet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/vanschaik_khotan1.pdf > > "The story involves the visit of two Khotanese monks to Tibet. The > monks hope to see Avalokite?vara face to face, and have been told that > they may do so by travelling to Tibet and looking upon Songtsen Gampo, > who is in fact Avalokite?vara in person. Upon their arrival in Tibet, > the monks are shocked to see the execution, imprisonment and corporal > punishment of criminals. Thinking that the bodhisattva of compassion > could never countenance such cruelty, they resolve to go back to > Khotan immediately. However, Songtsen Gampo, hearing of this, has > them brought to the palace and shows himself to them in the form of > Avalokite?vara. Speaking to them in Khotanese, the king assures the > monks that the atrocities they witnessed were just magical illusions > created by the king to ensure the rule of law in his land. The monks > are filled with faith; they fall asleep in the palace and wake up back > home in Khotan. Chris, again, very interesting source! Well, as long as capital punishment is just an illusion, I am all for it, unless, of course, it is me who is being executed! But again this goes back to the assumption of the efficacy and necessity of violence to maintain order, and it is this that I perceive early Buddhism to have denied. -- Yours, James Andy Stroble Leeward Community College From joy.vriens at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 08:08:55 2013 From: joy.vriens at gmail.com (Joy Vriens) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:08:55 +0200 Subject: [Buddha-l] " China destroys the ancient Buddhist symbol of Lhasa City in Tibet" In-Reply-To: <541E1259F1F746D39F9CBF657C9CE907@Dan> References: <51A6EFF6.1020206@gmail.com><002a01ce5d4a$3cead8b0$b6c08a10$@spro.net> <51AC8159.2080507@gmail.com> <541E1259F1F746D39F9CBF657C9CE907@Dan> Message-ID: <51B880F7.1020707@gmail.com> Pressure from China to withdraw the documentary (of which I published the link below) from French television. The article in Le Monde also mentions pressure (phone calls) to French members of parliament. http://www.liberation.fr/monde/2013/06/12/comment-pekin-a-tente-de-censurer-un-documentaire-de-france-24_910280?xtor=rss-450 Joy Le 03/06/2013 15:02, Dan Lusthaus a ?crit : > >> http://tinyurl.com/n6rej34 > > Thanks, Joy. And the fuller context re: China's global activities, not > Tibet, from Sunday's NYTimes. Why they dare to do what they do with > impunity and soft arrogance. > > http://tinyurl.com/mh94hcf > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From joy.vriens at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 05:44:00 2013 From: joy.vriens at gmail.com (Joy Vriens) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:44:00 +0200 Subject: [Buddha-l] " China destroys the ancient Buddhist symbol of Lhasa City in Tibet" In-Reply-To: <541E1259F1F746D39F9CBF657C9CE907@Dan> References: <51A6EFF6.1020206@gmail.com><002a01ce5d4a$3cead8b0$b6c08a10$@spro.net> <51AC8159.2080507@gmail.com> <541E1259F1F746D39F9CBF657C9CE907@Dan> Message-ID: <51C04800.6090400@gmail.com> Follow-up. In French unfortunately for the lesser linguistically endowed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pqXvasQzYOk Cyril Payen, the journalist who made the documentary below (7 days in Lhasa), talks about the Chinese pressure and bullying he and France 24 experienced following the broadcast. The destruction of the old Lhasa city center contradicts the new Chinese propaganda tactics of stressing the positive aspects of Tibet, everything what goes wellk in Tibet, whereas the Dalai Lama would always be stressing negative aspects. http://claudearpi.blogspot.fr/2013/06/the-beauty-of-tibet-propaganda-offensive.html Le 03/06/2013 15:02, Dan Lusthaus a ?crit : > >> http://tinyurl.com/n6rej34 > > Thanks, Joy. And the fuller context re: China's global activities, not > Tibet, from Sunday's NYTimes. Why they dare to do what they do with > impunity and soft arrogance. > > http://tinyurl.com/mh94hcf > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From ugg-5 at spro.net Tue Jun 18 10:41:20 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:41:20 -0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] " China destroys the ancient Buddhist symbol of Lhasa City in Tibet" In-Reply-To: <51C04800.6090400@gmail.com> References: <51A6EFF6.1020206@gmail.com><002a01ce5d4a$3cead8b0$b6c08a10$@spro.net> <51AC8159.2080507@gmail.com> <541E1259F1F746D39F9CBF657C9CE907@Dan> <51C04800.6090400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01ce6c42$a9c849c0$fd58dd40$@spro.net> The US and the EU don't give a damn about Lhasa or Tibetan culture. All they care about is control over the ME (aka oil), specifically at this moment Syria. Both regions are lands of no Buddha. Fairly soon Tibet will be also. Joanna -----Original Message----- From: buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com [mailto:buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] On Behalf Of Joy Vriens Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:44 AM To: Buddhist discussion forum Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] " China destroys the ancient Buddhist symbol of Lhasa City in Tibet" Follow-up. In French unfortunately for the lesser linguistically endowed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pqXvasQzYOk Cyril Payen, the journalist who made the documentary below (7 days in Lhasa), talks about the Chinese pressure and bullying he and France 24 experienced following the broadcast. The destruction of the old Lhasa city center contradicts the new Chinese propaganda tactics of stressing the positive aspects of Tibet, everything what goes wellk in Tibet, whereas the Dalai Lama would always be stressing negative aspects. http://claudearpi.blogspot.fr/2013/06/the-beauty-of-tibet-propaganda-offensi ve.html Le 03/06/2013 15:02, Dan Lusthaus a ?crit : > >> http://tinyurl.com/n6rej34 > > Thanks, Joy. And the fuller context re: China's global activities, not > Tibet, from Sunday's NYTimes. Why they dare to do what they do with > impunity and soft arrogance. > > http://tinyurl.com/mh94hcf > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From twin_oceans at yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 18:33:13 2013 From: twin_oceans at yahoo.com (Katherine Masis) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Buddha-l] Glass Buddha Message-ID: <1371947593.33757.YahooMailNeo@web140405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I like the Wildmind website, but I find this a bit peculiar: ? http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-glass-buddha-project ? Katherine From joy.vriens at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 23:20:25 2013 From: joy.vriens at gmail.com (Joy Vriens) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:20:25 +0200 Subject: [Buddha-l] Glass Buddha In-Reply-To: <1371947593.33757.YahooMailNeo@web140405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1371947593.33757.YahooMailNeo@web140405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51C68599.5060307@gmail.com> Hi Katherine, I recommend a visit to Tutte Wachtmeister's site (http://tuttejiorg.wordpress.com/about/), more specifically http://tuttejiorg.wordpress.com/dharma-dorks-and-electronic-contemplation/. Tutte-ji has opened my eyes. I now see initiatives like the Glass Buddha in a new light. Joy Le 23/06/2013 02:33, Katherine Masis a ?crit : > I like the Wildmind website, but I find this a bit peculiar: > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-glass-buddha-project > > Katherine > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From franz at mind2mind.net Sun Jun 23 01:26:04 2013 From: franz at mind2mind.net (Franz Metcalf) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 00:26:04 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Glass Buddha In-Reply-To: <51C68599.5060307@gmail.com> References: <1371947593.33757.YahooMailNeo@web140405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51C68599.5060307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52073A9F-E781-4F37-9A1D-3ED2716AAC9D@mind2mind.net> Dear All, Wow, absolutely fantastic! Thank you, Joy! My only trouble with the site is that I didn't write it, myself. Puts Wildmind and everyone else making a buck off the dharma absolutely to shame. (What's that? I'm included? Well, these things don't apply to *me*; Tutteji and I are quite above common morality.) Franz On Jun 22, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Joy Vriens wrote: > Hi Katherine, > > I recommend a visit to Tutte Wachtmeister's site (http://tuttejiorg.wordpress.com/about/), more specifically http://tuttejiorg.wordpress.com/dharma-dorks-and-electronic-contemplation/. Tutte-ji has opened my eyes. I now see initiatives like the Glass Buddha in a new light. > > Joy > > Le 23/06/2013 02:33, Katherine Masis a ?crit : >> I like the Wildmind website, but I find this a bit peculiar: >> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-glass-buddha-project >> Katherine >> _______________________________________________ >> buddha-l mailing list >> buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com >> http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l > > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From ugg-5 at spro.net Sun Jun 23 10:57:04 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:57:04 -0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] Glass Buddha In-Reply-To: <51C68599.5060307@gmail.com> References: <1371947593.33757.YahooMailNeo@web140405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51C68599.5060307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005f01ce7032$b0900fb0$11b02f10$@spro.net> Is part of their dorkness an inability to spell properly? As in "entrepeneur"? JK _____________________ Hi Katherine, I recommend a visit to Tutte Wachtmeister's site (http://tuttejiorg.wordpress.com/about/), more specifically http://tuttejiorg.wordpress.com/dharma-dorks-and-electronic-contemplation/. Tutte-ji has opened my eyes. I now see initiatives like the Glass Buddha in a new light. Joy Le 23/06/2013 02:33, Katherine Masis a ?crit : > I like the Wildmind website, but I find this a bit peculiar: > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-glass-buddha-project > > Katherine > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From ugg-5 at spro.net Sun Jun 23 12:01:28 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:01:28 -0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] CFP: Cultural Heritage--Environment, Ecology and Inter-Asian Interactions (Nalanda, Jan. 2014) Message-ID: <006b01ce703b$afaa5480$0efefd80$@spro.net> X-posted. I see that the new Nalanda U. startup has acquired a few bigtime sponsors, like the IIAS in the Netherlands. Joanna From: ACSAA [mailto:acsaa-bounces at acsaa.us] On Behalf Of Cathleen A Cummings Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:19 AM To: acsaa at acsaa.us Subject: [ACSAA] CFP: Cultural Heritage--Environment, Ecology and Inter-Asian Interactions (Nalanda, Jan. 2014) Call for Papers: Cultural Heritage--Environment, Ecology and Inter-Asian Interactions Nalanda University & International Institute for Asian Studies (IIAS) Rajgir, Bihar, India, 6-8 January 2014 In Asia, the notion of 'heritage' is often associated with the construction of post-independence nation-state models, the definition of national 'traditions', and the idea of a pre/post-colonial historical national continuity. As a result discussions about 'heritage' are often state-dominated, leaving little room for regional and trans-regional views especially where it concerns inter-Asian interactions. These interactions as well as the establishment of particular (sacred) sites were often the direct product of environmental or ecological conditions which would furthermore often also assure their continuation and/or conservation over long periods of time. However, over time not only environmental/ecological conditions would change but also geopolitical ones introducing different visitors and even 'owners' to particular sites, changing their cultural, social and political significance. This conference welcomes papers that investigate the role environmental/ecological and historical factors have played in the changing significance of sites in Asia and/or how these factors (continue to) influence the maintenance and conservation of these sites. In relation to this the conference is also interested in how intangible forms of heritage (folklore, customs, or particular rituals) have similarly been influenced and/or affected. It particularly welcomes papers that introduce an inter-Asian perspective either with respect to the (changing) significance of these sites or in relation to the maintenance and conservation of them as cultural heritage. The conference is open to scholars from a diverse range of backgrounds including (art) history, archaeology, cultural studies, ecology & environment studies and social sciences as well as practitioners ranging from conservationists to managers and activists. Keynotes . Rick Asher (Department of Art History, University of Minnesota) . Robin Coningham (Department of Archaeology, Durham University) . Engseng Ho (Cultural Anthropology, History and Duke Islamic Studies Center; Duke University) . Akira Matsui (Center for Archaeological Operations, Nara National Research Institute for Cultural Properties) . Mike Robinson (Ironbridge International Institute for Cultural Heritage, University of Birmingham) Location This two-day conference will be jointly organized by the new Nalanda University and the Netherlands based International Institute for Asian Studies (IIAS). Rajgir (Bihar) promises to be an exceptionally interesting location for this conference given its proximity to the ancient site of Nalanda University (a prime example of inter-Asian connections) as well as many other important historical and religious sites such as Bodh Gaya, where Buddhism finds it origin. The conference program will include a full-day of sightseeing. The location for the conference will be the newly built Convention Centre that is equipped with all modern facilities. Accommodation and Transportation Accommodation will be provided to all presenters in a convenient four-star hotel. To non-presenters accommodation will be made available at the same hotel at a special rate. Rajgir is easily connected by rail and bus to the airports of Gaya and Patna which have frequent connections with the international airports of Delhi and Kolkata. The conference organizers will gladly assist with travel queries and will make sure local transportation from and to the conference venue, hotels, bus and train station is provided for. Conference participation is free of charge. For further details please see: http://www.nalandauniv.edu.in/conference.html Abstract Please submit your abstract of no more than 250 words before 31 July 2013. Please also include a summary of no more than a 150 words of your current affiliation, research interests and key publications. Presenters may be requested to be discussants and/or chairpersons in other sessions. Presentations will be thirty minutes with fifteen minutes of questions of answers. The presentation of photographic or video-material is not only possible but also highly encouraged. Suggestions for documentary screenings or musical performances that could be included in the evening program are also highly welcome. Please submit your abstract, inquiries and/or suggestions to: conferences at nalandauniv.in Organization Nalanda University was in existence for nearly 800 years from the fifth till the twelfth century CE and attracted scholars from countries as diverse as China, Japan, Korea, Mongolia, Sri Lanka, Tibet and even Turkey. It was one of the oldest universities in the world. The newly founded Nalanda University is an international university unlike any in India. It has been mandated to be an international institution for the pursuit of intellectual, philosophical, historical and spiritual studies. It aims to bring together the brightest and most dedicated students from countries across the world irrespective of gender, caste, creed, disability or socio-economic background. It is a non-state, non-profit, secular, self-governing international institution and will, eventually, consist of seven different schools, among which are schools dedicated to Historical Studies and one that focuses on Ecology & Environment Studies. The International Institute for Asian Studies(IIAS), established in 1993, is principally a research and exchange platform based in Leiden, the Netherlands. It encourages the multidisciplinary and comparative study of Asia and as such actively promotes (inter)national cooperation. IIAS acts as an international mediator, bringing together academic and non-academic partners including cultural, social and policy organizations. The research at IIAS is carried out under the aegis of three programmatic clusters of which Asian Heritages is one. It explores the notion of heritage as it evolved from a Europe-originated concept associated with architecture and monumental archaeology to incorporate a broader diversity of cultural forms and values, including the so-called 'intangible' heritages and the importance of cultural heritage in identity construction. ---------- Dr. Cathleen Cummings ACSAA webmaster http://www.acsaa.us / webmaster at acsaa.us Assistant Professor, Department of Art and Art History The University of Alabama at Birmingham HB103, 900 13th Street South Birmingham AL 35294 cathleen at uab.edu / 205 934 7909 _______________________________________________ ACSAA mailing list ACSAA at acsaa.us http://acsaa.us/mailman/listinfo/acsaa_acsaa.us From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Sun Jun 23 16:04:31 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:04:31 -0400 Subject: [Buddha-l] CFP: Cultural Heritage--Environment, Ecology and Inter-Asian Interactions (Nalanda, Jan. 2014) References: <006b01ce703b$afaa5480$0efefd80$@spro.net> Message-ID: <5C8DA2656C0F44C689F836BE08259C1D@Dan> > I see that the new Nalanda U. startup has acquired a few bigtime > sponsors, like the > IIAS in the Netherlands. > Joanna But notice how Buddhism plays no obvious part in the agenda or program of the conference, and is only mentioned for historical "flavor". Dan From ugg-5 at spro.net Sun Jun 23 17:39:48 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:39:48 -0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] CFP: Cultural Heritage--Environment, Ecology and Inter-Asian Interactions (Nalanda, Jan. 2014) Message-ID: <001e01ce706a$f3565a10$da030e30$@spro.net> > I see that the new Nalanda U. startup has acquired a few bigtime > sponsors, like the IIAS in the Netherlands. > Joanna But notice how Buddhism plays no obvious part in the agenda or program of the conference, and is only mentioned for historical "flavor". Dan One wonders if this will be some kind of international money-laundering situation. J From chris.fynn at gmail.com Mon Jun 24 03:43:12 2013 From: chris.fynn at gmail.com (Christopher Fynn) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:43:12 +0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] CFP: Cultural Heritage--Environment, Ecology and Inter-Asian Interactions (Nalanda, Jan. 2014) In-Reply-To: <001e01ce706a$f3565a10$da030e30$@spro.net> References: <001e01ce706a$f3565a10$da030e30$@spro.net> Message-ID: On 24/06/2013, Jo wrote: > One wonders if this will be some kind of international money-laundering > situation. > J Given that this is in Bihar, probably the most corrupt state in India, you can be certain that some people's pockets are being well filled. From ugg-5 at spro.net Mon Jun 24 11:17:16 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:17:16 -0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] CFP: Cultural Heritage--Environment, Ecology and Inter-Asian Interactions (Nalanda, Jan. 2014) In-Reply-To: References: <001e01ce706a$f3565a10$da030e30$@spro.net> Message-ID: <005401ce70fe$ad6a9310$083fb930$@spro.net> On 24/06/2013, Jo wrote: > One wonders if this will be some kind of international > money-laundering situation. > J Given that this is in Bihar, probably the most corrupt state in India, you can be certain that some people's pockets are being well filled. _______________________________________________ Hi Chris---Indeed-----just as I suspected. Jo From twin_oceans at yahoo.com Mon Jun 24 11:38:09 2013 From: twin_oceans at yahoo.com (Katherine Masis) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Buddha-l] Glass Buddha Message-ID: <1372095489.19029.YahooMailNeo@web140402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Joy!? At first, I got a good laugh out of tuttejiorg.wordpress and thought it was a spoof.? But apparently, it's not.? There are plenty of impostors out there posing as teachers.??In the last five years or so, I've visited the Wildmind website?quite often.? I've downloaded free articles mp3's from that site and Bodhipaksha (sp.?) doesn't seem to be a conman.? Maybe at my age I just don't take to high-tech as quickly or perhaps Bodhipaksha has yielded to temptation.? I don't know what to make of this.? ? Katherine From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Mon Jun 24 11:53:22 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:53:22 -0400 Subject: [Buddha-l] CFP: Cultural Heritage--Environment, Ecology and Inter-Asian Interactions (Nalanda, Jan. 2014) References: <001e01ce706a$f3565a10$da030e30$@spro.net> <005401ce70fe$ad6a9310$083fb930$@spro.net> Message-ID: <8FA5C17B66B54E98AB64779FB4AFE5EB@Dan> > Given that this is in Bihar, probably the most corrupt state in India, you > can be certain that some people's pockets are being well filled. > _______________________________________________ > > Hi Chris---Indeed-----just as I suspected. > Jo Think bigger. This is about "preserving" locations -- i.e., transferring intl. wealth to various places throughout Asia. Moving investment capital, creating investment hubs, etc. Look at where the participants are coming from to gauge the extent. Dan From twin_oceans at yahoo.com Mon Jun 24 11:57:27 2013 From: twin_oceans at yahoo.com (Katherine Masis) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Buddha-l] Shamatha-related request Message-ID: <1372096647.80151.YahooMailNeo@web140403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A few months ago, a member of this list who facilitates Shamatha meditation listed a link to a nice website.? I had visited that site and had downloaded some chants.? ? For some reason, I haven't been able to find the chants or the link to that site on my computer.? Google has been no help.? I've also gone through the Buddha-L email to see if the member names ring a bell, but so far, no luck.? ? Will that particular Buddha-L member please come forward and provide the link? ? Many thanks, Katherine Masis San Jose, Costa Rica From twin_oceans at yahoo.com Mon Jun 24 12:06:32 2013 From: twin_oceans at yahoo.com (Katherine Masis) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Buddha-l] Website found Message-ID: <1372097192.44048.YahooMailNeo@web140405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I found the website thanks to Bing.? My query was "places to learn shamatha meditation in the UK".? Bing showed results for "shamatha" and "samatha" as well.? Google only showed results for "shamatha".? ? http://www.samatha.org/ ? I also found my previously downloaded materials.? Apologies to those who have had to read about my stumbles.? ? But I'm still curious as to who?on Buddha-L provided the link... ? Katherine Masis? From franz at mind2mind.net Mon Jun 24 14:40:04 2013 From: franz at mind2mind.net (Franz Metcalf) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:40:04 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Glass Buddha In-Reply-To: <1372095489.19029.YahooMailNeo@web140402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1372095489.19029.YahooMailNeo@web140402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Katherine et al., tuttejiorg.wordpress *has* to be a parody, otherwise the world will have become too dark--too dark altogether. By contrast, I've had a little back-and-forth with Bodhipaksha and he had no air of the conman, at all. Quite the opposite; he seemed unusually technologically savvy as well as grounded in the dharma. In fact, I think he's pretty much the perfect candidate for a glass and I'm glad the fundraising has now exceeded his needed $1633. Let's see what he comes up with. Franz On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:38 AM, Katherine Masis wrote: > Thanks, Joy! At first, I got a good laugh out of tuttejiorg.wordpress and thought it was a spoof. But apparently, it's not. There are plenty of impostors out there posing as teachers. In the last five years or so, I've visited the Wildmind website quite often. I've downloaded free articles mp3's from that site and Bodhipaksha (sp.?) doesn't seem to be a conman. Maybe at my age I just don't take to high-tech as quickly or perhaps Bodhipaksha has yielded to temptation. I don't know what to make of this. > > Katherine > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From joy.vriens at gmail.com Mon Jun 24 15:11:33 2013 From: joy.vriens at gmail.com (Joy Vriens) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:11:33 +0200 Subject: [Buddha-l] Glass Buddha In-Reply-To: <1372095489.19029.YahooMailNeo@web140402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1372095489.19029.YahooMailNeo@web140402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51C8B605.8080505@gmail.com> Hi Katherine, What makes you think it isn't a spoof? Have you seen the portraits of Tutte-ji ? Doesn't he remind you of someone ? :-) Joy From dhmahabodhi at hotmail.com Mon Jun 24 16:39:17 2013 From: dhmahabodhi at hotmail.com (Dharmachari Mahabodhi) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:39:17 +0000 Subject: [Buddha-l] Glass Buddha In-Reply-To: <51C8B605.8080505@gmail.com> References: <1372095489.19029.YahooMailNeo@web140402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <51C8B605.8080505@gmail.com> Message-ID: Boris JohnstoneMayor of London Mahabodhi Triratna Buddhist Order 07973 699750 www.mahabodhi.org.uk > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:11:33 +0200 > From: joy.vriens at gmail.com > To: buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] Glass Buddha > > Hi Katherine, > > What makes you think it isn't a spoof? Have you seen the portraits of > Tutte-ji ? Doesn't he remind you of someone ? :-) > > Joy > > > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From twin_oceans at yahoo.com Tue Jun 25 22:54:54 2013 From: twin_oceans at yahoo.com (Katherine Masis) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Buddha-l] Glass Buddha Message-ID: <1372222494.68391.YahooMailNeo@web140402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi, Joy ? Well, maybe it *is* a spoof, then! ? Katherine From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Thu Jun 27 17:47:29 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:47:29 -0400 Subject: [Buddha-l] U.S. ambassador to China on rare Tibet visit References: <1372095489.19029.YahooMailNeo@web140402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51C8B605.8080505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1091AC8FC3034A388F7F5280876A8288@Dan> >From the L.A. Times. Dan http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-china-tibet-20130627,0,2066176.story U.S. ambassador to China on rare Tibet visit By Barbara Demick June 27, 2013, 12:34 p.m. XINING, China -- The U.S. ambassador to China, Gary Locke, paid a rare visit to Tibet this week as human rights advocates blasted the Chinese government's policy of luring Tibetan nomads into concrete housing projects with little job opportunities. In meetings with residents and officials, Locke stressed the need to preserve Tibetan culture and urged authorities to allow foreigners to travel more freely in the tightly controlled region, according to the Associated Press. The Tibetan Autonomous Region, as it is known, has been mostly closed to western diplomats and journalists since an uprising in 2008 against Chinese rule. Locke's three-day visit to Lhasa, which concludes Friday, is the first time the U.S. Embassy has gotten approval for a visit since 2010, the embassy said. Nearly 120 Tibetans have immolated themselves since 2009 in protests against Chinese rule. A report released by Human Rights Watch said more than 2 million others had been lured into "new socialist villages" since 2006 in one of the largest upheavals of the population since the 1950s. "The scale and speed at which the Tibetan rural population is being remodeled by mass rehousing and relocation policies are unprecedented in the post-Mao era,'' said Sophie Richardson, China Director of the New York-based human rights group, in a statement Thursday. According to the report, many Tibetans have been duped into giving up the herds of yak and sheep that traditionally provided their livelihood and settling in cheaply constructed housing projects. Although the housing is subsidized, the report found that the Tibetans bore 70% of the costs of the new homes, often signing loan documents they did not understand because of high illiteracy. Meanwhile, the report stated that "they are unable to compete in markets in which native Chinese-speaking laborers and entrepreneurs have a distinct advantage.'' "It may be true that some Tibetans have benefited," Richardson said. "The majority have simply been forced to trade poor but stable livelihoods for the uncertainties of a cash economy in which they are often the weakest actors." The housing projects are being constructed not only in the Tibetan Autonomous Region, but also in Qinghai and Sichuan provinces, which are home to large Tibetan populations. South of the Qinghai provincial capital of Xining, the new villages look like vast gulags made up of identical, tightly packed blocks of concrete and brick. Although the Chinese government claims they are more hygienic and modern, many of the villages lack adequate toilets and do not have a reliable electricity supply. Human Rights Watch said in its report that it had not found evidence that Tibetans were forced into the projects, but that they were easily intimidated into relocating. From ugg-5 at spro.net Sat Jun 29 13:35:37 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 13:35:37 -0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] FW: [INDOLOGY] New book In-Reply-To: <6BE790B71CC44CD99EB0BB70199AE816@FUSSMANHMI> References: <6BE790B71CC44CD99EB0BB70199AE816@FUSSMANHMI> Message-ID: <001901ce74ff$d5b42ac0$811c8040$@spro.net> X-posted. Good evidence finally that Buddhist monasteries were functioning in what is today Afghanistan much later than previously thought. I look forward to vol. II, for the focus on arts. Joanna K. Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:04 PM I am glad to announce the publication of the following book which demonstrates, through incontrovertible archaeological evidence, that Buddhism and Buddhist (Indian) artistic creation were flourishing at Kabul upto the 10th c. A.D., i.e. several decades after the first Muslim inroads. G?rard Fussman Professor (rtd.) at the Coll?ge de France. Zafar PAIMAN, Tepe Narenj ? Caboul, ou l?art bouddhique ? Caboul au temps des incursions musulmanes/ The Tepe Narenj Buddhist Monastery at Kabul. Buddhist Art During the First Muslim Raids Against the Town, avec une contribution de Michael ALRAM pour les monnaies, I, Chronologie, b?timents, c?ramiques et monnaies. Publications de l?Institut de Civilisation Indienne du Coll?ge de France, fasc. 82, in-4?, 154 pages dont 16 planches en couleurs et 17 en noir et blanc. ISBN 978-2-86803-082-5. 71 ?. In French (buildings and chronology) and English (coins), with English, Persian and Pashto summaries. Available from De Boccard, 11 rue de M?dicis, 75006 Paris. www.deboccard.com. This is the Final Report of the Afghan excavations at Tepe Narenj (2004-2012), started and entirely directed by the author of the book. Tepe Narenj is the name given to a rocky spur located in the Southern part of today Kabul. It was entirely covered with Islamic graves when the dig begun. The ancient remains hidden under these graves are now entirely cleared and preserved. Two nearby places could also be excavated, smaller than the main dig, but yielding impressive results. All the excavated buildings belong to the latest period of a huge mahasanghika monastery dating back to the 2nd or 3rd c. A.D., now entirely covered by multiple layers of graves belonging to one of the most important and revered Islamic cemeteries in Kabul, where it is now impossible to conduct archaelogical excavations. They were filled with colossal clay statues. The stratigraphic analysis and the coins demonstrate that most of these buildings and statues were made after 870 A.D., i.e. at after the first Arab raids against Kabul. This volume contains the description and the fullest possible illustration of the finds (buildings, sculptures, ceramics, coins). Volume II will contain the historical and art comments.