[Buddha-l] buddha-l Digest, Vol 101, Issue 11

[Warner Belanger]

One really need to take the analysis of Gokhale, Balkrishna Govind. “Early
Buddhism and the Urban Revolution.” Journal of the International
Association of Buddhist Studies 5/2, 1982) with a large grain of salt.
Gregory Schopen's article "If you can’t Remember, How to Make it up, Some
Monastic Rules for Redacting Canonical Texts:" discusses a rule in the
Mulasarvastivadya Vinaya that, to quote Naomi Appleton:
"...displays a natural bias towards setting all discourses in Savatthi,
where the Jeta Grove is located, just as it encourages the setting of all
stories of the past in the reign of Brahmadatta: 'those who forget the name
of the place. etc.. must declare it was one or another of the six great
cities, or somewhere where the Tathagata stayed many times. if he forgets
the name of the king, he must declare it was Prasenajit: if the name of the
householder, that it was Anathapindada .... of the place of a story of the
past, that it was Varanasi, of the king, that it was Brahmadatta"' (Gregory
Schopen, 'if You Can't Remember, How to Make It Up: Some Monastic Rules for
Redacting Canonical Texts’, in Petre KiefferP ülz? and Jens-Uwe Hartmann
(eds), Bauddhavidyãsudhãkara': Studies in Honour of Heinz Bechert on the
Occasion of His 6sth Birthday (Swisttal-Odendorf, 1997), pp. 571—82, p.
575).

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> From: David Living <aryacitta at hotmail.com>
> To: BuddhaL <buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com>
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> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 18:31:26 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] Did the Buddha settle down?
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>
> > "What they forget is that after a period of wandering, the Buddha
> settled down to spend twenty-five years in the same monastery, teaching
> and offering himself as a community leader."
>
> His last year on earth was spent wandering all over the place just before
> his Parinirvana. Whenever you get a Sutra in the Pali Canon it seems to
> come from a new venue every time....almost. Maybe in his middle years he
> stopped at one place or favoured one place for his rains retreat but I
> don't think he ever settled down.
>
> Aryacitta/Dave Living Southend on Sea
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> From: Jamie Hubbard <jhubbard at smith.edu>
> To: Buddhist discussion forum <buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:03:52 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] Did the Buddha settle down?
> I haven't thought about this in a while, and this doesn't specifically
> address the Buddha's traveling around, but most of the texts depict a
> fairly urban Buddha, fairly restricted in the locations of his teaching--
> fully 83% of the places mentioned in the Pali texts refer to a total of
> just five cities, and less than one-half of 1% refer to the countryside
> (Gokhale, Balkrishna Govind. “Early Buddhism and the Urban Revolution.”
> Journal of the International Association of Buddhist Studies 5/2, 1982).
> Romila Thapar has  long made similar claims about the urban origins of the
> Buddhist communities. To paraphrase the caption under a depiction of the
> Buddha's accepting the Jeta Grove in a popular intro Buddhist textbook,
> "with the acceptance of Jetavana, the community of wanders became corporate
> landowners." Reggie Ray might disagree.
>
> Jamie Hubbard
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:31 PM, David Living <aryacitta at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > "What they forget is that after a period of wandering, the Buddha
> > settled down to spend twenty-five years in the same monastery, teaching
> > and offering himself as a community leader."
> >
> > His last year on earth was spent wandering all over the place just before
> > his Parinirvana. Whenever you get a Sutra in the Pali Canon it seems to
> > come from a new venue every time....almost. Maybe in his middle years he
> > stopped at one place or favoured one place for his rains retreat but I
> > don't think he ever settled down.
> >
> > Aryacitta/Dave Living Southend on Sea
> >
> >
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