From aryacitta at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 13:00:49 2013 From: aryacitta at hotmail.com (David Living) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:00:49 +0000 Subject: [Buddha-l] Lumbini developments Message-ID: Does anyone know about this? Is this for real or is it a scam? Subject: Fw: Lumbini petition- please support SAVE the birthplace of BuddhaYou may already know about this. Pls spread the word and get as many to sign the petition. I just signed the petition "UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, Nepal Government: Preserve The World Heritage Lumbini - The Buddha's birthplace" on Change.org. Preserve The World Heritage Lumbini, the Buddha?s birthplace.Stop urban development-?New World Peace City? Plan which threatens the Buddha's birthplace and its World Heritage status. It'This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6015 - Release Date: 01/07/13 -- This message has been sent to you with Metta via the NBO email group http://www.nbo.org.uk Aryacitta/Dave Living - Southend From ugg-5 at spro.net Wed Jan 9 14:04:17 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:04:17 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Lumbini developments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901cdeeac$e3b26f80$ab174e80$@spro.net> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/12/117_100477.html Looks real! Last time this idea turned up it was the Japanese planning to build a theme park there. Now the S. Koreans apparently are the perps. I wonder about the "world peace" notion. Few years ago it was Japanese Shin Buddhists building glaringly white Peace Pagodas (modeled on the stupa format) all over the world. Article doesn't say whose idea this is. Will they include a golf course, as the military junta in Burma did near Bagan. Joanna ----------------------------------- By Anil Giri KATHMANDU - South Korea has agreed to offer $2 million to develop Lumbini, the birthplace of Lord Buddha, as a city of peace. The proposal, entitled a "Master Plan for the Lumbini World Peace City Preservation and Development,"has already been accepted by Nepal's Ministry of Culture, the sole entity to execute the project. The project is now under consideration by Nepal's Ministry of Finance, "We have received a South Korean request to build a master plan for Lumbini as a peace city. The proposal is now under consideration at the Ministry of Finance," Nepal's Culture Secretary Dinesh Hari Adhikari said. Adhikari hoped that an agreement in this respect would be signed soon after getting approval from the finance ministry. According to the South Korean proposal which was submitted to the Nepalese government by the Korea International Cooperation Agency (KOICA), South Korea will pay $2 million to help carry out the plan for the peace city. KOICA said it will develop the plan, paying keen attention to the archaeological, environmental and cultural sensitivity of Lumbini. The Nepalese government has formed a high-level committee under the chairmanship of UCPN (Maoist) Chairman Pushpa Kamal Dahal to develop Lumbini as city of peace. United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is also interested in the project. The team led by Chairman Dahal visited New York in September and held a meeting with Ban, seeking his support. KOICA, in cooperation with the Nepalese government, will begin drawing up the plan in mid-January 2012 and will complete the work over the next 18 months. According to the proposal, the South Korean government will dispatch about 143 experts from various fields to map out the plan. The experts will be urban designers, architects, local planners, road and traffic engineers, tourism and cultural analysts, environment and disaster specialists and financiers. According to the proposal, the Korean team will conduct research on cultural, heritage and archaeological aspects in three phases. In the first phase, the team will visit the site of the proposed city to build a concept paper of the project. They will then look into the environmental aspects, historical and cultural importance as well as heritage of Lumini to figure out the socio-economic environment and infrastructure capabilities of the proposed peace city. Anil Giri is a contributing writer for The Korea Times. From ugg-5 at spro.net Wed Jan 9 14:18:27 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:18:27 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Lumbini developments In-Reply-To: <000901cdeeac$e3b26f80$ab174e80$@spro.net> References: <000901cdeeac$e3b26f80$ab174e80$@spro.net> Message-ID: <001601cdeeae$def43940$9cdcabc0$@spro.net> Here's the answer to the underlying sponsorship--a Pure Land: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/spiritofthings/cities-of-peace- and-harmony/4277276 Lumbini, Nepal, the Buddha's birthplace is a small poor hamlet that is set to be reborn as a model city of peace and harmony and its designer, internationally renowned architect, political scientist and educator Kwaak Young Hoon brings his mega vision and high spiritual ideals to realise the plan. *But if the vision of Master Chin Kung of Pure Land Learning College* garners enough support it will become a leading example of a multi-faith community that lives in peace and harmony. [........] Joanna From Kdorje at aol.com Wed Jan 9 19:28:45 2013 From: Kdorje at aol.com (Kdorje at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:28:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Buddha-l] Lumbini developments Message-ID: <1ff60.34ad9512.3e1f815d@aol.com> The peace park development in Lumbini that encompasses the birthplace of the Buddha is well under way, and has been for several years, under the sponsorship of the government of Nepal, although much of the land set aside for it remained undeveloped the last time I was there. There are temples and monasteries built by those from most predominantly Buddhist countries. Perhaps this latest is to be built nearby In a message dated 1/9/2013 4:18:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ugg-5 at spro.net writes: Here's the answer to the underlying sponsorship--a Pure Land: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/spiritofthings/cities-of-peace- and-harmony/4277276 Lumbini, Nepal, the Buddha's birthplace is a small poor hamlet that is set to be reborn as a model city of peace and harmony and its designer, internationally renowned architect, political scientist and educator Kwaak Young Hoon brings his mega vision and high spiritual ideals to realise the plan. *But if the vision of Master Chin Kung of Pure Land Learning College* garners enough support it will become a leading example of a multi-faith community that lives in peace and harmony. [........] Joanna _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Thu Jan 10 06:23:58 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:23:58 -0500 Subject: [Buddha-l] Tibet is Burning. Self-Immolations: Ritual or Political Protest Message-ID: <1E4A99CE56174EDE994850EA6AAD8207@Dan> X-Post from H-Asia (message from Jan 6). All articles in downloadable PDF format. Dan --- H-ASIA Jan 6 2013 member publication: Tibet is Burning. Self-Immolations: Ritual or Political Protest ************************************ From: Buffetrille katia Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to announce the publication on Revue d'Etudes Tib?taines (online) of the proceedings of the symposium on "Tibet is Burning. Self-Immolations: Ritual or Political Protest", held on May 14th and 15th in Le Coll?ge de France, Paris http://www.digitalhimalaya.com/collections/journals/ret/index.php?selection=0 Katia Buffetrille ?cole pratique des Hautes-?tudes, Paris From ugg-5 at spro.net Fri Jan 11 14:26:25 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:26:25 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] World Buddhist Leaders' Letter to Burma Message-ID: <000001cdf042$4ff20020$efd60060$@spro.net> [Posted by Joanna K.] http://www.irrawaddy.org/archives/20919 12/11/12 International Buddhist leaders have written a letter to the Burmese people urging tolerance and compassion in the wake of bloody communal violence in western Burma: To our brother and sister Buddhists in Burma, As world Buddhist leaders we send our loving kindness and concern for the difficulties the people of Burma are faced with at this time. While it is a time of great positive change in Burma we are concerned about the growing ethnic violence and the targeting of Muslims in Rakhine (Arakan) State and the violence against Muslims and others across the country. The Burmese are a noble people, and Burmese Buddhists carry a long and profound history of upholding the Dharma. We wish to reaffirm to the world and to support you in practicing the most fundamental Buddhist principles of non-harming, mutual respect and compassion. These fundamental principles taught by the Buddha are at the core of Buddhist practice: Buddhist teaching is based on the precepts of refraining from killing and causing harm. . Buddhist teaching is based on compassion and mutual care. . Buddhist teaching offers respect to all, regardless of class, caste, race or creed. We are with you for courageously standing up for these Buddhist principles even when others would demonize or harm Muslims or other ethnic groups. It is only through mutual respect, harmony and tolerance that Burma can become a modern great nation benefiting all her people and a shining example to the world. Whether you are a Sayadaw or young monk or nun, or whether you are a lay Buddhist, please, speak out, stand up, reaffirm these Buddhist truths, and support all in Burma with the compassion, dignity and respect offered by the Buddha. We stand with you in the Dharma, Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Vietnam Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi President Buddhist Global Relief (World's foremost translator of the Pali Canon) Sri Lanka / USA Dr. A T Ariyaratne Founder Nationwide Sarvodaya Movement Gandhi Peace Prize Laureate Sri Lanka Ven. Chao Khun Raja Sumedhajahn Elder, Ajahn Chah Monastaries Wat Ratanavan, Thailand Ven. Phra Paisal Visalo Chair Buddhika Network Buddhism and Society -Thailand Ven. Arija Rinpoche VIII Abbot Tibetan Mongolian Cultural Center-Mongolia / USA Ven. Shodo Harada Roshi. Abbot Sogenji Rinzai Zen Monastery-Japan Achariya Professor J Simmer Brown Chairperson Buddhist Studies Naropa Buddhist University-USA Ven. Ajahn Amaro Mahathera Abbot Amaravati Vihara-England Ven. Hozan A Senauke International Network of Engaged Buddhists-Worldwide Younge Khachab Rinpoche VII. Abbot Younge Drodul Ling-Canada Ven. Sr. Thich Nu Chan Kong President Plum Village Zen temples-France / Vietnam Dr. Jack Kornfield Vipassana Achariya Convener Western Buddhist Teachers Council-USA Lama Surya Das Dzogchen Foundation International Vajrayana Tibet / USA Ven. Zoketsu N. Fischer Soto Roshi Fmr. Abbot largest Zen community In the West-USA / Japan Tulku Sherdor Rinpoche Director BI. Wisdom Institute-Canada HH the XIV Dalai Lama* Nobel Laureate Tibet/India *Though not able to be reached in time to sign this letter HH the Dalai Lama has publicly and repeatedly stated his concern about the Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. He urges everyone to continue to practice non-violence and retain the religious harmony that is central to our ancient and revered culture. From jehms at xs4all.nl Sat Jan 12 20:28:14 2013 From: jehms at xs4all.nl (Erik Hoogcarspel) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:28:14 +0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] World Buddhist Leaders' Letter to Burma In-Reply-To: <000001cdf042$4ff20020$efd60060$@spro.net> References: <000001cdf042$4ff20020$efd60060$@spro.net> Message-ID: Nice try, but I'm afraid this is about one tribe against the other and tribalism is in the Birmese genes. Muslims in the other states are OK as far as I have seen. Erik Jo schreef: >[Posted by Joanna K.] > >http://www.irrawaddy.org/archives/20919 12/11/12 > >International Buddhist leaders have written a letter to the Burmese >people >urging tolerance and compassion in the wake of bloody communal violence >in >western Burma: > >To our brother and sister Buddhists in Burma, >As world Buddhist leaders we send our loving kindness and concern for >the >difficulties the people of Burma are faced with at this time. While it >is a >time of great positive change in Burma we are concerned about the >growing >ethnic violence and the targeting of Muslims in Rakhine (Arakan) State >and >the violence against Muslims and others across the country. The Burmese >are >a noble people, and Burmese Buddhists carry a long and profound history >of >upholding the Dharma. >We wish to reaffirm to the world and to support you in practicing the >most >fundamental Buddhist principles of non-harming, mutual respect and >compassion. >These fundamental principles taught by the Buddha are at the core of >Buddhist practice: >Buddhist teaching is based on the precepts of refraining from killing >and >causing harm. >. Buddhist teaching is based on compassion and mutual care. >. Buddhist teaching offers respect to all, regardless of class, caste, >race >or creed. >We are with you for courageously standing up for these Buddhist >principles >even when others would demonize or harm Muslims or other ethnic groups. >It >is only through mutual respect, harmony and tolerance that Burma can >become >a modern great nation benefiting all her people and a shining example >to the >world. >Whether you are a Sayadaw or young monk or nun, or whether you are a >lay >Buddhist, please, speak out, stand up, reaffirm these Buddhist truths, >and >support all in Burma with the compassion, dignity and respect offered >by the >Buddha. >We stand with you in the Dharma, > >Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh >Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Vietnam > >Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi >President Buddhist Global Relief >(World's foremost translator of the Pali Canon) Sri Lanka / USA > >Dr. A T Ariyaratne >Founder Nationwide Sarvodaya Movement >Gandhi Peace Prize Laureate Sri Lanka > >Ven. Chao Khun Raja Sumedhajahn >Elder, Ajahn Chah Monastaries >Wat Ratanavan, Thailand > >Ven. Phra Paisal Visalo >Chair Buddhika Network Buddhism and Society -Thailand > >Ven. Arija Rinpoche VIII >Abbot Tibetan Mongolian Cultural Center-Mongolia / USA > >Ven. Shodo Harada Roshi. >Abbot Sogenji Rinzai Zen Monastery-Japan > >Achariya Professor J Simmer Brown >Chairperson Buddhist Studies >Naropa Buddhist University-USA > >Ven. Ajahn Amaro Mahathera >Abbot Amaravati Vihara-England > >Ven. Hozan A Senauke >International Network of Engaged Buddhists-Worldwide > >Younge Khachab Rinpoche VII. >Abbot Younge Drodul Ling-Canada > >Ven. Sr. Thich Nu Chan Kong >President Plum Village Zen temples-France / Vietnam > >Dr. Jack Kornfield Vipassana Achariya >Convener Western Buddhist Teachers Council-USA > >Lama Surya Das >Dzogchen Foundation International >Vajrayana Tibet / USA > >Ven. Zoketsu N. Fischer Soto Roshi >Fmr. Abbot largest Zen community In the West-USA / Japan > >Tulku Sherdor Rinpoche >Director BI. Wisdom Institute-Canada > >HH the XIV Dalai Lama* >Nobel Laureate Tibet/India > >*Though not able to be reached in time to sign this letter HH the Dalai >Lama >has publicly and repeatedly stated his concern about the Rohingya >Muslims in >Myanmar. He urges everyone to continue to practice non-violence and >retain >the religious harmony that is central to our ancient and revered >culture. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >buddha-l mailing list >buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com >http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. From joy.vriens at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 02:19:58 2013 From: joy.vriens at gmail.com (Joy Vriens) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:19:58 +0100 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re: Library.nu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50F27C3E.1010102@gmail.com> Police hadarrested Swartz in July 2011. He wasaccused of stealing 4 million documents from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Jstor, an archive of scientific journals and academic papers. The authorities claimed that he broke into a restricted-access computer wiring closet at MIT and accessed that network without authorization. Jstor said that the downloaded content included "more than 4 million articles, book reviews, and other content from our publisher partners' academic journals and other publications." If convicted, Swartz faced a maximum of $4 million in fines and more than 50 years in prison after the governmentincreased the number of felony counts against Swartz to 13 from 4. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57563642-93/internet-activist-aaron-swartz-commits-suicide/ http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/12/reddit-co-founder-hangs-self-weeks-before-facing-trial-on-data-theft-charges/ Cordialement, Joy Vriens Le 20/03/2012 13:35, Daya-mati Richard Hayes a ?crit : > If what you are getting online is for free, you are not the customer, you are the product. -Jonathan Zittrain, professor of Internet law (b. 1969) > > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From ugg-5 at spro.net Sun Jan 13 09:01:09 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:01:09 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re: Library.nu In-Reply-To: <50F27C3E.1010102@gmail.com> References: <50F27C3E.1010102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002801cdf1a7$34718620$9d549260$@spro.net> This morning on MSNBC (TV) Chris Hayes (on his talk show) gave a long and sad eulogy of Aaron, accusing the Mass. prosecutor of fulsomely exaggerated activity, also noting that she is rumored to intend running for governor of that state. Since academics are not paid for their publications, I'm shocked that the penalties for downloading such (c)-protected material are that severe. The copyright laws were re-written and have become onerous. Joanna -----Original Message----- From: buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com [mailto:buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] On Behalf Of Joy Vriens Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:20 AM To: Buddhist discussion forum Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re: Library.nu Police hadarrested Swartz in July 2011. He wasaccused of stealing 4 million documents from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Jstor, an archive of scientific journals and academic papers. The authorities claimed that he broke into a restricted-access computer wiring closet at MIT and accessed that network without authorization. Jstor said that the downloaded content included "more than 4 million articles, book reviews, and other content from our publisher partners' academic journals and other publications." If convicted, Swartz faced a maximum of $4 million in fines and more than 50 years in prison after the governmentincreased the number of felony counts against Swartz to 13 from 4. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57563642-93/internet-activist-aaron-swartz- commits-suicide/ http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/12/reddit-co-founder-hangs-self-weeks-b efore-facing-trial-on-data-theft-charges/ Cordialement, Joy Vriens Le 20/03/2012 13:35, Daya-mati Richard Hayes a ?crit : > If what you are getting online is for free, you are not the customer, > you are the product. -Jonathan Zittrain, professor of Internet law (b. > 1969) > > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From ugg-5 at spro.net Sun Jan 13 09:06:02 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:06:02 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re Library.nu Message-ID: <003101cdf1a7$e2eb8250$a8c286f0$@spro.net> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57563642-93/internet-activist-aaron-swartz- commits-suicide/ "News of Swartz's suicide came only days after Jstor announced this week that it would make more than 4.5 million articles" publicly available for free." From ugg-5 at spro.net Sun Jan 13 10:12:01 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:12:01 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] World Buddhist Leaders' Letter to Burma In-Reply-To: References: <000001cdf042$4ff20020$efd60060$@spro.net> Message-ID: <005801cdf1b1$1a9af240$4fd0d6c0$@spro.net> Yes--I was thinking about the tendency for religious leaders to call for peace and compassion even when most of them know, or should know, that just calling for it doesn't effect it. Joanna On Behalf Of Erik Hoogcarspel Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:28 PM Nice try, but I'm afraid this is about one tribe against the other and tribalism is in the Birmese genes. Muslims in the other states are OK as far as I have seen. Erik Jo schreef: >[Posted by Joanna K.] > >http://www.irrawaddy.org/archives/20919 12/11/12 From joy.vriens at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 10:20:38 2013 From: joy.vriens at gmail.com (Joy Vriens) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:20:38 +0100 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re Library.nu In-Reply-To: <003101cdf1a7$e2eb8250$a8c286f0$@spro.net> References: <003101cdf1a7$e2eb8250$a8c286f0$@spro.net> Message-ID: <50F2ECE6.2020609@gmail.com> Hi Jo, This smells like anticipated damage control. It is not clear who was behind the increasing number of charges. JSTOR had dropped the charges. http://tinyurl.com/18r BTW the link "JSTOR was not the entity pressing charges" in this article has disappeared (Our Apologies... We Can't Find The Page You Are Looking For), but JSTOR's statement is still available here. http://tinyurl.com/18r "The criminal investigation and today?s indictment of Mr. Swartz has been directed by the United States Attorney?s Office. It was the government?s decision whether to prosecute, not JSTOR?s. As noted previously, our interest was in securing the content. Once this was achieved, we had no interest in this becoming an ongoing legal matter." By making the content publicly available for free before the upcoming process, JSTOR seemed to want to come out of it clean. Perhaps Pontius Pilatus/JSTOR motivations were clean from the start, or perhaps it launched the Attorney Office, and then withdrew, thus having its cake and eating it. What is the anonymous power behind the US Attorney?s Office's zeal? A case of setting an example no doubt, but who exactly wants to set an example? Is it the will of the US public to have knowledge protected by paywalls? Julian Assange must be following this with interest... Jo wrote: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57563642-93/internet-activist-aaron-swartz- commits-suicide/ "News of Swartz's suicide came only days after Jstor announced this week that it would make more than 4.5 million articles" publicly available for free." _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From ugg-5 at spro.net Mon Jan 14 09:07:52 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:07:52 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re Library.nu In-Reply-To: <50F2ECE6.2020609@gmail.com> References: <003101cdf1a7$e2eb8250$a8c286f0$@spro.net> <50F2ECE6.2020609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004b01cdf271$4f20d370$ed627a50$@spro.net> Joy--- This link now doesn't work either: "but JSTOR's statement is still available here http://tinyurl.com/18r ." Interesting that these Jstor links disappeared rapidly. Today some news are saying that MIT launched the prosecutor. His parents publicly accused the prosecutor and MIT or excessive unwarranted zeal. MIT is now doing an "investigation." Jo -----Original Message----- From: buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com [mailto:buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] On Behalf Of Joy Vriens Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:21 AM To: Buddhist discussion forum Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re Library.nu Hi Jo, This smells like anticipated damage control. It is not clear who was behind the increasing number of charges. JSTOR had dropped the charges. http://tinyurl.com/18r BTW the link "JSTOR was not the entity pressing charges" in this article has disappeared (Our Apologies... We Can't Find The Page You Are Looking For), but JSTOR's statement is still available here. http://tinyurl.com/18r "The criminal investigation and today's indictment of Mr. Swartz has been directed by the United States Attorney's Office. It was the government's decision whether to prosecute, not JSTOR's. As noted previously, our interest was in securing the content. Once this was achieved, we had no interest in this becoming an ongoing legal matter." By making the content publicly available for free before the upcoming process, JSTOR seemed to want to come out of it clean. Perhaps Pontius Pilatus/JSTOR motivations were clean from the start, or perhaps it launched the Attorney Office, and then withdrew, thus having its cake and eating it. What is the anonymous power behind the US Attorney's Office's zeal? A case of setting an example no doubt, but who exactly wants to set an example? Is it the will of the US public to have knowledge protected by paywalls? Julian Assange must be following this with interest... Jo wrote: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57563642-93/internet-activist-aaron-swartz- commits-suicide/ "News of Swartz's suicide came only days after Jstor announced this week that it would make more than 4.5 million articles" publicly available for free." _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From chris.fynn at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 23:39:57 2013 From: chris.fynn at gmail.com (Christopher Fynn) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:39:57 +0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re Library.nu In-Reply-To: <004b01cdf271$4f20d370$ed627a50$@spro.net> References: <003101cdf1a7$e2eb8250$a8c286f0$@spro.net> <50F2ECE6.2020609@gmail.com> <004b01cdf271$4f20d370$ed627a50$@spro.net> Message-ID: Too bad the United States prosecutors didn't go after the architects of the financial collapse, who certainly caused a great deal of harm while personally enriching themselves greatly, with half as much zeal and determination as they persecuted a gifted young man attempting to make documents paid for with public tax dollars public. World Wide Web creator Sir Tim Berners-Lee wrote a poem in memory of Swartz, which has posted to a forum on the W3C's Web site: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2013Jan/0017.html From ugg-5 at spro.net Tue Jan 15 08:55:02 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:55:02 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re Library.nu In-Reply-To: References: <003101cdf1a7$e2eb8250$a8c286f0$@spro.net> <50F2ECE6.2020609@gmail.com> <004b01cdf271$4f20d370$ed627a50$@spro.net> Message-ID: <001e01cdf338$ae795dc0$0b6c1940$@spro.net> Just so sad --please watch Aaron at work on SOPA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgh2dFngFsg&feature=youtu.be We're lucky that (c) didn't exist when the Buddha was teaching. Revisions in this law are due to the Motive of this Age: GREED. Joanna On Behalf Of Christopher Fynn Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:40 PM Too bad the United States prosecutors didn't go after the architects of the financial collapse, who certainly caused a great deal of harm while personally enriching themselves greatly, with half as much zeal and determination as they persecuted a gifted young man attempting to make documents paid for with public tax dollars public. World Wide Web creator Sir Tim Berners-Lee wrote a poem in memory of Swartz, which has posted to a forum on the W3C's Web site: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2013Jan/0017.html _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From chris.fynn at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 22:09:17 2013 From: chris.fynn at gmail.com (Christopher Fynn) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:09:17 +0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re Library.nu In-Reply-To: <001e01cdf338$ae795dc0$0b6c1940$@spro.net> References: <003101cdf1a7$e2eb8250$a8c286f0$@spro.net> <50F2ECE6.2020609@gmail.com> <004b01cdf271$4f20d370$ed627a50$@spro.net> <001e01cdf338$ae795dc0$0b6c1940$@spro.net> Message-ID: Re greed Did you know that people have actually tried (and managed) to patent yoga asanas in the USA? The Indian government created a Traditional Knowledge Digital Library database in order to prevent pharmaceutical companies trying to patent traditional medical formulations.(bio-piracy) It now also includes things like Yoga asanas because people started getting patents on these in the U.S.A. Link: Traditional Knowledge Digital Library http://www.tkdl.res.in/ http://www.tkdl.res.in/tkdl/PressCoverage/important_news/VOANews_11-06-2010.pdf "The US Patent and Trademark office has reportedly issued 150 yoga-related copyrights, 134 trademarks on yoga accessories and 2,315 yoga trademarks" http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2007-05-18/india/27888083_1_yoga-enthusiasts-yoga-related-copyrights-bikram-choudhary On 15/01/2013, Jo wrote: > Just so sad --please watch Aaron at work on SOPA: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgh2dFngFsg&feature=youtu.be > We're lucky that (c) didn't exist when the Buddha was teaching. Revisions > in > this law are due to the Motive of this Age: GREED. > > Joanna > > On Behalf Of Christopher Fynn > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:40 PM > > > Too bad the United States prosecutors didn't go after the architects of the > financial collapse, who certainly caused a great deal of harm while > personally enriching themselves greatly, with half as much zeal and > determination as they persecuted a gifted young man attempting to make > documents paid for with public tax dollars public. > > World Wide Web creator Sir Tim Berners-Lee wrote a poem in memory of > Swartz, > which has posted to a forum on the W3C's Web site: > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2013Jan/0017.html > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l > > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l > From ugg-5 at spro.net Wed Jan 16 10:00:27 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:00:27 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re Library.nu Message-ID: <000c01cdf40a$fc44a5a0$f4cdf0e0$@spro.net> Hi Chris, Thanks for the news about patenting yoga asanas and the Traditional Knowledge Digital Library link. I'm guessing that those in the USA who want to patent yoga will 'invent' their 'own' asanas in order to get patents. One wonders how hard the Indian government is working to interfere with this process, other than listing such items on their Trad. Database. Or if they can even afford prosecuting. So much revenue destined for the government there is siphoned off by corruption as deposits in secret bank accounts outside the country. (Recent reminiscence--Mitt Romney, anyone?) Joanna ------------------------------ On Behalf Of Christopher Fynn Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:09 PM Re greed Did you know that people have actually tried (and managed) to patent yoga asanas in the USA? The Indian government created a Traditional Knowledge Digital Library database in order to prevent pharmaceutical companies trying to patent traditional medical formulations.(bio-piracy) It now also includes things like Yoga asanas because people started getting patents on these in the U.S.A. Link: Traditional Knowledge Digital Library http://www.tkdl.res.in/ http://www.tkdl.res.in/tkdl/PressCoverage/important_news/VOANews_11-06-2010. pdf "The US Patent and Trademark office has reportedly issued 150 yoga-related copyrights, 134 trademarks on yoga accessories and 2,315 yoga trademarks" http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2007-05-18/india/27888083_1_yoga -enthusiasts-yoga-related-copyrights-bikram-choudhary From jehms at xs4all.nl Wed Jan 16 18:25:37 2013 From: jehms at xs4all.nl (Erik Hoogcarspel) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:25:37 +0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide Re Library.nu In-Reply-To: <000c01cdf40a$fc44a5a0$f4cdf0e0$@spro.net> References: <000c01cdf40a$fc44a5a0$f4cdf0e0$@spro.net> Message-ID: <943b76f5-ae49-4cd6-b3b8-c9771f28c51b@email.android.com> I think it is up to the US administration to act. I read that someone once wrote a computerprogram that could generate every melody possible and print it out. He tried to get the copyrights but faild. Remember the piracy of Monsanto and the tango between Apple and Samsung. The patenting swindle has gone bezerk. Some artist patented the name Allah and perhaps even the word Buddha wil become a protected trademark. Erik Jo schreef: >Hi Chris, > >Thanks for the news about patenting yoga asanas and the Traditional >Knowledge Digital Library link. I'm guessing that those in the USA who >want >to patent yoga will 'invent' their 'own' asanas in order to get >patents. One >wonders how hard the Indian government is working to interfere with >this >process, other than listing such items on their Trad. Database. Or if >they >can even afford prosecuting. So much revenue destined for the >government >there is siphoned off by corruption as deposits in secret bank accounts >outside the country. >(Recent reminiscence--Mitt Romney, anyone?) > >Joanna >------------------------------ > >On Behalf Of Christopher Fynn >Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:09 PM > >Re greed > >Did you know that people have actually tried (and managed) to patent >yoga >asanas in the USA? > >The Indian government created a Traditional Knowledge Digital Library >database in order to prevent pharmaceutical companies trying to patent >traditional medical formulations.(bio-piracy) It now also includes >things >like Yoga asanas because people started getting patents on these in >the >U.S.A. > >Link: Traditional Knowledge Digital Library http://www.tkdl.res.in/ > >http://www.tkdl.res.in/tkdl/PressCoverage/important_news/VOANews_11-06-2010. >pdf > >"The US Patent and Trademark office has reportedly issued 150 >yoga-related >copyrights, 134 trademarks on yoga accessories and 2,315 yoga >trademarks" > >http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2007-05-18/india/27888083_1_yoga >-enthusiasts-yoga-related-copyrights-bikram-choudhary > > > >_______________________________________________ >buddha-l mailing list >buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com >http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Wed Jan 16 20:01:43 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:43 -0500 Subject: [Buddha-l] Internet activist Aaron Swartz commits suicideRe Library.nu References: <000c01cdf40a$fc44a5a0$f4cdf0e0$@spro.net> <943b76f5-ae49-4cd6-b3b8-c9771f28c51b@email.android.com> Message-ID: <0D2BF5A4B24B4B9C9046448C591FA718@Dan> To put some historical, cultural and legal context on this: (1) While many believe that the hatha yoga routines and asanas they use are "age old" traditional practices, it turns out that most of the routines are 20th c inventions, drawing more on British military calisthenics than on anything from traditional yoga systems. Cf. the speed at which BKS Iyengar -- one of the innovators -- performs the routines in 1938 he has largely devised (notice that several of these are played in slow motion). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mftKmszHyAA&feature=fvw Iyengar until 7:26 in, then Krishnamacharya. note how abrubt, and even violent Tibetan yoga movements are, contrary to your local yoga class: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BESrdlf-cPg&NR=1 Now again, another Krishnamacharya video, at regular speed. Look like your local yoga studio? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XF4sCV6aUY here's his wife's practice (back to slo-mo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5B5xSMJmCE Modern yoga developed / evolved from these folks. (2) In terms of evidence from Indian literature, little evidence of anything aside from a handful of the most basic asanas is found prior to the 17th c, and it is some consolidation of traditional systems (including fakir athletic exercises for public performance) in the 19th c that combine with western calisthetics in the 20th that become (hatha) yoga today. http://www.safarmer.com/Indo-Eurasian/Sjoman.1999.pdf For an overview of the last 200 years of yoga history, see http://tinyurl.com/yz62qsx (3) Iyengar, et al. are VERY proprietary about their practice routines, asanas, etc. This is not something introduced by the US or Madison Ave. (4) Erik writes: "perhaps even the word Buddha wil become a protected trademark." Already is. A restaurant here in Brookline, Massachusetts was about to open with the name Buddha-chan. Turned out, there was already a restaurant called Buddha-chan somewhere else, in another state. They sued, and the Brookline restaurant opened with the name Budda C Asain Bistro. Dropping the "h" in buddha and dropping the chan was sufficient to avoid copyright violation. http://www.buddac.com/ Dan From chris.fynn at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 21:01:15 2013 From: chris.fynn at gmail.com (Christopher Fynn) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:01:15 +0600 Subject: [Buddha-l] Copyright of Yoga Asanas Message-ID: On 17/01/2013, Dan Lusthaus wrote: > To put some historical, cultural and legal context on this: > > (1) While many believe that the hatha yoga routines and asanas they use are > > "age old" traditional practices, it turns out that most of the routines are > > 20th c inventions, drawing more on British military callisthenics than on > anything from traditional yoga systems. > > Cf. the speed at which BKS Iyengar -- one of the innovators -- performs the > > routines in 1938 he has largely devised (notice that several of these are > played in slow motion). > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mftKmszHyAA&feature=fvw > Iyengar until 7:26 in, then Krishnamacharya. > > note how abrubt, and even violent Tibetan yoga movements are, contrary to > your local yoga class: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BESrdlf-cPg&NR=1 Dan While I don't doubt that callisthenics has influenced modern hatha yoga, and especially on the way it is now presented, there are hundreds of asanas in Tibetan yoga texts which cannot have been so influenced. There are sets of these asanas associated with every Buddhist anuttarayoga tantra - many Nyingma tantras as well, and others besides these. These are described in detail and in some cases illustrated (if you want I can send you some examples). Some are performed slowly - others abrubtly / violently - and afaik in all cases together with visualizations. There are of course string historical links, going back to about the 12th century, between the gorakhnath sadhus and Buddhist tantra traditions. The Nath tradition of course is the source of much of Hatha Yoga. - Chris From jehms at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 17 02:47:07 2013 From: jehms at xs4all.nl (Erik Hoogcarspel) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:47:07 +0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Copyright of Yoga Asanas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29e23c2e-c29e-4c89-a08a-5f033a690edc@email.android.com> I had to revise an article on the subject about a year ago. Some indologists calling themselves 'modern' came with this new theory. I found the research rather onesided, because there was very little reference to the tantric and Nath traditions and Wendy Donniger called it in a review rather extravagant. Some Tibetan yoga is rather violent, but not all. Kun Nye may not be very old, but Yantra Yoga seems to be older than the 20th or 19th century. This is not meant to contradict Dan's remark about the yoga asanas being restyled and reinvented. Erik Christopher Fynn schreef: >On 17/01/2013, Dan Lusthaus wrote: >> To put some historical, cultural and legal context on this: >> >> (1) While many believe that the hatha yoga routines and asanas they >use are >> >> "age old" traditional practices, it turns out that most of the >routines are >> >> 20th c inventions, drawing more on British military callisthenics >than on >> anything from traditional yoga systems. >> >> Cf. the speed at which BKS Iyengar -- one of the innovators -- >performs the >> >> routines in 1938 he has largely devised (notice that several of these >are >> played in slow motion). >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mftKmszHyAA&feature=fvw >> Iyengar until 7:26 in, then Krishnamacharya. >> >> note how abrubt, and even violent Tibetan yoga movements are, >contrary to >> your local yoga class: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BESrdlf-cPg&NR=1 > >Dan > >While I don't doubt that callisthenics has influenced modern hatha >yoga, and especially on the way it is now presented, there are >hundreds of asanas in Tibetan yoga texts which cannot have been so >influenced. There are sets of these asanas associated with every >Buddhist anuttarayoga tantra - many Nyingma tantras as well, and >others besides these. > >These are described in detail and in some cases illustrated (if you >want I can send you some examples). > >Some are performed slowly - others abrubtly / violently - and afaik in >all cases together with visualizations. > >There are of course string historical links, going back to about the >12th century, between the gorakhnath sadhus and Buddhist tantra >traditions. The Nath tradition of course is the source of much of >Hatha Yoga. > > - Chris >_______________________________________________ >buddha-l mailing list >buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com >http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 06:56:14 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:56:14 -0500 Subject: [Buddha-l] Copyright of Yoga Asanas References: Message-ID: <1CF4BE41D7ED439486C80DF2246556A3@Dan> Chris writes: > While I don't doubt that callisthenics has influenced modern hatha > yoga, and especially on the way it is now presented, there are > hundreds of asanas in Tibetan yoga texts which cannot have been so > influenced. There are sets of these asanas associated with every > Buddhist anuttarayoga tantra - many Nyingma tantras as well, and > others besides these. [...] > There are of course string [sic for "strong"] historical links, going back to about the > 12th century, between the gorakhnath sadhus and Buddhist tantra > traditions. The Nath tradition of course is the source of much of > Hatha Yoga. Hi Chris, I fully agree, and also with Erik's observation that there is a group of scholars converging on a false consensus about the dating of some of these things, pushing dates to as close to today as possible while challenging all antiquity. They have overreached (or, perhaps more accurately, have under-reached) by (1) conflating a variety of different things under the heading "hatha yoga" and (2) failing to look beyond the piecemeal vestiges available today in Indian literature. On the other hand, they have raised some legitimate questions, and hopefully the endproduct of this revisionism will be a more accurate account of the history of the various strands that have gone into making up what various traditions, including the neighborhood senior center yoga-for-adults program as well as the dirt-floored ashrams in the Himalayan foothills, etc., have drawn on to create the various things that today we subsume under the concept of "yoga." The "revisionists" (for lack of a simpler term at the moment) have focused on several things in particular, sifting sources for traces, most particularly asanas (understood in the modern hatha-yoga sense) and cakras (understood in the Arthur-Avalon/Sir-John-Woodroffe sense, all those colorful familiar posters, etc.). They also wrangle about the term "hatha" as well, trying to determine its earliest uses, and when it came to mean what we today think of (i.e., asanas, etc.). Without getting into all the details, they have settled on the 10th-11th c as the earliest appearance of cakra theory, allow that some vague collections of asanas (mostly involving "seated" actions, as the word asana denotes) were being codified around the 15th-16th c, but that it is between the 17th-20th c, esp the 19th-20th where the elements converge (asanas, cakras, "hatha" + calisthenics) into our modern systems. They would question how far back Tib. traditions practiced today go. Just yesterday I read a blurb on the back of a supposedly scholarly book on Japan that used the word "ancient" several times, when it was addressing ideas that arose in the 18th-19th c, hardly what I would call "ancient"; similarly it has become common practice to call various Tibetan things "ancient," when we are actually only dealing with things a few hundred years old at most. That there were relations between various tantrics, etc. is not in question. What would be in question is precisely what they were doing *then* as opposed to what we might retrospectively project back onto them. Having said all that, let me be clear that I have argued with the revisionists on the basis of (1) Indian materials they have ignored (e.g., Asanga's Yogacarabhumi, 4th c) and (2) early tantra materials preserved in Chinese but no longer available in Skt (texts translated in the first decades of the 700s). Both display detailed familiarity with (five) cakra theory (sometimes referring to "cakras" as mandalas, sometimes cakras). The Chinese translations details the visualizations, etc. associated with each. But one has to keep in mind, they represented/understood them this way (re: the five elements) http://hotoke-antiques.com/pg249.html http://buddhistsymbols.info/stupa/ http://english.daegu.go.kr/cms/cms.asp?Menu=95&Category=4&Action=view&TourId=257 and nothing like http://tinyurl.com/b6geoyb or http://tinyurl.com/b56xbzw or http://www.stonelover.com/chakra/chakrasendo2.jpg or this 1899 Indian depiction https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Sapta_Chakra%2C_1899.jpg or 18th c http://tinyurl.com/a7jxm4l Rather, Buddhists "visualized" the (five) cakras (qua 5 elements) this way in India: http://tinyurl.com/ahf7jzt See the two volume _The Matrix and Diamond World Mandalas in Shingon Buddhism_ by Adrian Snodgrass (New Delhi: 1988), which is based on the texts I mentioned previously as having been translated in the early 700s. In short, the Yogacarabhumi and the early Ch. translations give us evidence much earlier than the 10th c of cakra theory (but not asanas), and might suggest in the recurrent arguments about who came first -- hindu tantra or buddhist tantra -- than in cakra theory at least the Buddhists were first. Dan From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 07:37:50 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:37:50 -0500 Subject: [Buddha-l] new Ian Harris book on Buddhism under Pol Pot References: <1CF4BE41D7ED439486C80DF2246556A3@Dan> Message-ID: <82DFED744D1E4E6882975782B62C4C8E@Dan> X-posted from H-Buddhism since this subject was discussed here not long ago. Dan --- From: Ian Harris Subject: New book on recent history of Cambodian sangha (Harris) Date: Jan 15, 2013 Dear colleagues, please note the following publication of interest: *Buddhism in a Dark Age: Cambodian Monks under Pol Pot* Ian Harris Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press 45 illus. 256pp. December 2012 Paper - Price: $22.00ISBN: 978-0-8248-3561-3 This pioneering study of the fate of Buddhism during the communist period in Cambodia puts a human face on a dark period in Cambodia's history. It is the first sustained analysis of the widely held assumption that the Khmer Rouge under Pol Pot had a centralized plan to liquidate the entire monastic order. Based on a thorough analysis of interview transcripts and a large body of contemporary manuscript material, it offers a nuanced view that attempts to move beyond the horrific monastic death toll and fully evaluate the damage to the Buddhist *sangha *under Democratic Kampuchea. Compelling evidence exists to suggest that Khmer Rouge leaders were determined to hunt down senior members of the pre-1975 ecclesiastical hierarchy, but other factors also worked against the Buddhist order. *Buddhism in a Dark Age *outlines a three-phase process in the Khmer Rouge treatment of Buddhism: bureaucratic interference and obstruction, explicit harassment, and finally the elimination of the obdurate and those close to the previous Lon Nol regime. The establishment of a separate revolutionary form of *sangha *administration constituted the bureaucratic phase. The harassment of monks, both individually and en masse, was partially due to the uprooting of the traditional monastic economy in which lay people were discouraged from feeding economically unproductive monks. Younger members of the order were disrobed and forced into marriage or military service. The final act in the tragedy of Buddhism under the Khmer Rouge was the execution of those monks and senior ecclesiastics who resisted. It was difficult for institutional Buddhism to survive the conditions encountered during the decade under study here. Prince Sihanouk's overthrow in 1970 marked the end of Buddhism as the central axis around which all other aspects of Cambodian existence revolved and made sense. And under Pol Pot the lay population was strongly discouraged from providing its necessary material support. The book concludes with a discussion of the slow re-establishment and official supervision of the Buddhist order during the People's Republic of Kampuchea period. ------------------------------- Ian Harris Preah Sihanouk Raja Buddhist University, Phnom Penh* H-Buddhism (Buddhist Scholars Information Network) From ugg-5 at spro.net Mon Jan 21 17:35:20 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:35:20 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] Histroy: Buddhist stupa remains in Sindh, early 20th c. under the British Raj Message-ID: <000e01cdf838$5c2618b0$14724a10$@spro.net> http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf res=F20C12F93E5D11738DDDA90994DC405B808DF1D3 This link is a pdf of the 1909 article from the NYT archive. Interestingly, the relics found were given to Burmese monks. At that time Burma was part of the British empire. I suspect that the officials had no idea there were still Buddhist monks in Bengal. (Or perhaps the Brits thought little of their establishments?) Here is an article from a Pakistani newspaper on monastery remains in Sindh, in view of its history of invasions: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2013%5C01%5C22%5Cstory_22-1-20 13_pg3_4 Another link (dated 7/6/12) from a journalist who hails from Sindh: http://parveentalpur.com/2012/07/06/restoring-pakistans-buddhist-past/ Joanna From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Mon Jan 21 19:14:16 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:14:16 -0500 Subject: [Buddha-l] Histroy: Buddhist stupa remains in Sindh, early 20th c. under the British Raj References: <000e01cdf838$5c2618b0$14724a10$@spro.net> Message-ID: Joanna, The nytimes pdf links don't work -- can you convert them to tinyurl.com links? The others work fine. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: [Buddha-l] Histroy: Buddhist stupa remains in Sindh,early 20th c. under the British Raj > http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf > res=F20C12F93E5D11738DDDA90994DC405B808DF1D3 > 994DC405B808DF1D3> > > From ugg-5 at spro.net Mon Jan 21 20:35:39 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:35:39 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] History: Buddhist stupa remains in Sindh, early 20th c. under the British Raj Message-ID: <002001cdf851$8d3bfa50$a7b3eef0$@spro.net> Sorry, the big link was too large--here is a small link for the 1909 newspaper account: http://tinyurl.com/a7kh3l5 If this does not work ask me for the pdf. Joanna From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Mon Jan 21 21:28:52 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:28:52 -0500 Subject: [Buddha-l] History: Buddhist stupa remains in Sindh, early 20th c. under the British Raj References: <002001cdf851$8d3bfa50$a7b3eef0$@spro.net> Message-ID: <5ABDF4280B9D45A385AB31B3F2F92421@Dan> Thanks, Joanna. This one worked. Funky layout. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo" To: "'Buddhist discussion forum'" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] History: Buddhist stupa remains in Sindh,early 20th c. under the British Raj > Sorry, the big link was too large--here is a small link for the 1909 > newspaper account: > http://tinyurl.com/a7kh3l5 > If this does not work ask me for the pdf. > > Joanna > > > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l > From ugg-5 at spro.net Mon Jan 21 22:44:31 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:44:31 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] History: Buddhist stupa remains in Sindh, early 20th c. under the British Raj In-Reply-To: <5ABDF4280B9D45A385AB31B3F2F92421@Dan> References: <002001cdf851$8d3bfa50$a7b3eef0$@spro.net> <5ABDF4280B9D45A385AB31B3F2F92421@Dan> Message-ID: <000c01cdf863$8d4c96f0$a7e5c4d0$@spro.net> Yeah-1909 after all...............a broadsheet -----Original Message----- From: buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com [mailto:buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] On Behalf Of Dan Lusthaus Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:29 PM To: Buddhist discussion forum Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] History: Buddhist stupa remains in Sindh, early 20th c. under the British Raj Thanks, Joanna. This one worked. Funky layout. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo" To: "'Buddhist discussion forum'" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] History: Buddhist stupa remains in Sindh,early 20th c. under the British Raj > Sorry, the big link was too large--here is a small link for the 1909 > newspaper account: > http://tinyurl.com/a7kh3l5 > If this does not work ask me for the pdf. > > Joanna > > > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l > _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From charku at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 00:07:24 2013 From: charku at gmail.com (Charlie Hodgin) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:07:24 -0800 Subject: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents Message-ID: I have to ask if anyone knows specifically what is the basis for the "surprising findings" reference below? It has really, really gotten under my skin...I love the irony of my attachment to the idea of getting to know what this oblique reference is all about. " Indian Buddhism: Birch-Bark Treasures Jan. 23, 2013 ? Experts in Indological Studies at Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet (LMU) in Munich are in the process of analyzing 2000-year-old Indian Buddhist documents that have only recently come to light. The precious manuscripts have already yielded some surprising findings." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130123133430.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ffossils_ruins+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Fossils+%26+Ruins+News%29 -charlie From ugg-5 at spro.net Tue Jan 29 07:23:56 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:23:56 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003e01cdfe2c$46244290$d26cc7b0$@spro.net> Science Daily is often unreliable. See this amazon.com page for the list of Gandharan texts research ---based on the British collections (I think, anyway): http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-k eywords=Gandharan+Buddhist+Texts A few sutras have so far been translated. Joanna From ugg-5 at spro.net Tue Jan 29 08:18:34 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:18:34 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents In-Reply-To: <003e01cdfe2c$46244290$d26cc7b0$@spro.net> References: <003e01cdfe2c$46244290$d26cc7b0$@spro.net> Message-ID: <001001cdfe33$e8034cd0$b809e670$@spro.net> This list breaks links--here's the tiny for anyone who doesn't know how to fix a broken link: http://preview.tinyurl.com/a95ohse JK -----Original Message----- From: buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com [mailto:buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] On Behalf Of Jo Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:24 AM To: 'Buddhist discussion forum' Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents Science Daily is often unreliable. See this amazon.com page for the list of Gandharan texts research ---based on the British collections (I think, anyway): http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-k eywords=Gandharan+Buddhist+Texts A few sutras have so far been translated. Joanna _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Tue Jan 29 08:23:52 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:23:52 -0500 Subject: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents References: <003e01cdfe2c$46244290$d26cc7b0$@spro.net> Message-ID: While the opening paragraphs make it sound like the German group just found brand new manuscripts, further down a more sober account is provided. "The researchers work not with the manuscripts themselves, but with digital scans. The originals are not only extremely fragile, but are held in various collections scattered around the world. A large fraction of the surviving material is stored in the British Library in London. The ultimate goal of the project is to prepare a modern edition of all the Gandhari manuscripts, thus making them available for further investigation." A number of people, primarily under the leadership of Richard Solomon, including Collett Cox, etc. have been working on selections of these mss.; the process of unrolling and digitizing them in ways that allow them to be readable (they are in various states of preservation, including pages stuck together, or parts of pages stuck together, many lacunae, etc.) took a long time. The German group got funding to organize and publish all the fragments. As Joanna points out, a number of things have been published already, and more is ready for publication. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo" To: "'Buddhist discussion forum'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents > Science Daily is often unreliable. > > See this amazon.com page for the list of Gandharan texts research ---based > on the British collections (I think, anyway): > > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-k > eywords=Gandharan+Buddhist+Texts > > A few sutras have so far been translated. > Joanna > > > > _______________________________________________ > buddha-l mailing list > buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l From H.W.A.Blezer at hum.leidenuniv.nl Tue Jan 29 13:15:32 2013 From: H.W.A.Blezer at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Blezer, H.W.A.) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:15:32 +0100 Subject: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents Message-ID: Dear Charlie, Joanna and Dan, the Buddhist Manuscripts from Gandh?ra project at the University of Munich is a new cooperation partner of the Early Buddhist Manuscripts Project at the University of Washington. There will be some collaborative text editions between Seattle and Munich, and the Dictionary of G?ndh?r? is being compiled jointly by Andrew Glass in Seattle and myself in Munich. In addition, the Munich project continues the editorial work of the project ?The Bajaur collection of Buddhist Kharo??h? manuscripts? (Harry Falk and Ingo Strauch, Free University of Berlin, 2005?2012) as well as the study of the so?called Split Collection (Harry Falk). We have a project website with more information at the following address: http://www.gandhara.indologie.uni-muenchen.de/ The ?yielded some suprising findings? bit is press speak (?sorgen in der Fachwelt f?r ?berraschungen? in the original German), and refers to the overall and ongoing revolution in our understanding of early Buddhist literature caused by the Gandh?ran manuscript finds (in G?ndh?r? and Sanskrit) that have been made since the 1990s. This includes particularly the numerous, previously unknown abhidharma texts and commentaries that constitute a missing link between Pali and Sanskrit Buddhist exegetical literature (and its Chinese translations), and the several G?ndh?r? Mah?y?na s?tras that provide a window on the formative phase of this movement as it unfolded in Gandh?ra. Overall, we now have around 80 voluminous G?ndh?r? birch?bark manuscripts, and hundreds of fragments, all of which will take decades to edit and study. There are several scholarly teams working on this material, each focusing on a particular part of the corpus and collaborating with each other. In addition to the Seattle and Munich projects, there are Mark Allon and his students at the University of Sydney, Ingo Strauch at the University of Lausanne, and others. These are exciting times for Buddhist philology. All best wishes, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Baums Institute for Indian and Tibetan Studies Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich [forwarded on behalf of Stefan Baums, Henk Blezer] From vasubandhu at earthlink.net Tue Jan 29 14:29:40 2013 From: vasubandhu at earthlink.net (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:29:40 -0500 Subject: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents References: Message-ID: <6A16A271419C48B98A40841FF24CD433@Dan> Dear Stefan (and Henk), Thank you for the update and the link to the project website. As you say, "These are exciting times for Buddhist philology." all the best, Dan ----- Original Message ----- >"Stefan Baums" >We have a project website with more information at the following address: > > http://www.gandhara.indologie.uni-muenchen.de/ > Dr. Stefan Baums > Institute for Indian and Tibetan Studies Ludwig Maximilian University of > Munich > [forwarded on behalf of Stefan Baums, Henk Blezer] From aryacitta at hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 15:08:05 2013 From: aryacitta at hotmail.com (David Living) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:08:05 +0000 Subject: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not having read the book the only "surprise finding" seems to be that the manuscripts are still almost readable if you know Gandharian. Will we learn that the Buddha didn't actually invent the Noble Eightfold Path or that "Buddhism" is a total fiction developed by Maha Kasyapa? I await the findings with bated breath. Dave Living/Aryacitta From ugg-5 at spro.net Tue Jan 29 15:09:49 2013 From: ugg-5 at spro.net (Jo) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:09:49 -0700 Subject: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004101cdfe6d$5b7d4880$1277d980$@spro.net> Dear Stefan, Thanks for posting this. I was waiting for someone there to add the full information. Best, Joanna -----Original Message----- From: buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com [mailto:buddha-l-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] On Behalf Of Blezer, H.W.A. Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:16 PM To: buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com Cc: Stefan Baums Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] New? Gandhari documents Dear Charlie, Joanna and Dan, the Buddhist Manuscripts from Gandh?ra project at the University of Munich is a new cooperation partner of the Early Buddhist Manuscripts Project at the University of Washington. There will be some collaborative text editions between Seattle and Munich, and the Dictionary of G?ndh?r? is being compiled jointly by Andrew Glass in Seattle and myself in Munich. In addition, the Munich project continues the editorial work of the project ?The Bajaur collection of Buddhist Kharo??h? manuscripts? (Harry Falk and Ingo Strauch, Free University of Berlin, 2005?2012) as well as the study of the so?called Split Collection (Harry Falk). We have a project website with more information at the following address: http://www.gandhara.indologie.uni-muenchen.de/ The ?yielded some suprising findings? bit is press speak (?sorgen in der Fachwelt f?r ?berraschungen? in the original German), and refers to the overall and ongoing revolution in our understanding of early Buddhist literature caused by the Gandh?ran manuscript finds (in G?ndh?r? and Sanskrit) that have been made since the 1990s. This includes particularly the numerous, previously unknown abhidharma texts and commentaries that constitute a missing link between Pali and Sanskrit Buddhist exegetical literature (and its Chinese translations), and the several G?ndh?r? Mah?y?na s?tras that provide a window on the formative phase of this movement as it unfolded in Gandh?ra. Overall, we now have around 80 voluminous G?ndh?r? birch?bark manuscripts, and hundreds of fragments, all of which will take decades to edit and study. There are several scholarly teams working on this material, each focusing on a particular part of the corpus and collaborating with each other. In addition to the Seattle and Munich projects, there are Mark Allon and his students at the University of Sydney, Ingo Strauch at the University of Lausanne, and others. These are exciting times for Buddhist philology. All best wishes, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Baums Institute for Indian and Tibetan Studies Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich [forwarded on behalf of Stefan Baums, Henk Blezer] _______________________________________________ buddha-l mailing list buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/buddha-l