>If it is not the self-same thing, then one is looking >> at two different things. If the self-same thing that would mean that that >> bhāva is a svabhāva. > > See it that way if you like. It is not compulsory to see it that way. I take that to be the point of ch. 2 of MMK, so that would be Nagarjuna's way of framing it. Dan