[Buddha-l] "Free and Easy" Vajra song

[Erik Hoogcarspel]

Dan Lusthaus schreef:
> Eric,
>
>   
>> To do that you
>> have to be a very experienced meditator, just try it!
>>     
>
> What makes you think I am not, or that I haven't?
>   
Sorry that was not addressed to you personally. I'm not in any position 
to judge any persons yogic abilities or accomplishments, and frankly I 
don't want to be either.
> Catatonia in a hospital bed is not enviable. But wrap it in a different
> package and suddenly everybody wants one. Pay your fee, do your work, and
> get a high -- at best, it lasts about 6 months. Then time for a booster
> shot. Opium is cheaper and more effective. It also gives one the feeling
> that everything is unreal, no sense in doing anything, just let me lie here,
> everything is fine...
>   
The difference is that in catatonic states you're either not aware of it 
or are aware, but cannot get out. In this case one can become active and 
do some prapanca, but refrains knowingly, just letting the state of 
openness continue. I find it very difficult myself, but the little 
experience I have is encouraging.
> Time for all the would-be mystics to follow their own advice: words are just
> words. "Mahamudra," "Tibetan," "meditation," "only us in the in-group
> *know*" are just words, not credentials -- or are they?
>   
I agree, I think a lot mystification has been going on, but still I'm 
convinced that there are  a lot of very interesting Buddhist practices 
in Tibetan Buddhism. The problem is the closed traditions and paramparas 
and rituals.
> Time already to revisit the meaning of prapanca?
>   
Well let just say that I've let it slip because the kind of Derridaish 
appraoch of focussing on certain verbal preferences in a discourse and 
playing with it became just a bit off the track I was aiming for. Mind 
you, I didn't need to be reminded about Nargarjuna's teaching of 
pratiitya samutpaada, I just thought that your explanation was based on 
monocausal reasoning.
> Want some real mahamudra advice? This from the late Geshe Wangyal:
>
> Detachment without denial; involvement without indulgence.
>
>   
I don't see the difference with lama Gendun's poem, unless unvolvement 
includes suffering or Weltschmerz. As I said Lama Gendun was very 
compassionate.


Erik

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