[Buddha-l] what wld buddha buy

[jkirk]

Yes, David Loy has a telling Buddhist critique about greed under
capitalism. 

However, you seem to have misunderstood my point here: what I
referred to as the 'world view' (using the term for brevity's
sake) of America's Indians was about what prevailed *before* the
advent of colonies and colonials.

Joanna
====================================================



Steve wrote: 
. And although I agree with you about the likely perception of
resources as limitless amongst some historical communities, it's
clear that, for example, at least some Indians in the Americas
didn't see things quite that way, in fact they understood pretty
early on in their encounter with European colonisation that
trouble was on the way. 

Steve
On 11 Dec 2008, at 15:18, jkirk wrote:

> Too bad the extensive observations on greed in Buddhism were
left out. 
> You may have discerned the reason :)  "Perhaps he was too
worried by 
> the fact that the five basic precepts mention nothing about
abstaining 
> from wealth or property. If he was, should he have been?"
>
> Doesn't Buddhism attack greed and attachment, not wealth?
> Since the early and later sanghas for centuries relied on
material 
> donations for survival (rich persons and royals playing big
roles), 
> support for the mission and the building of viharas, etc., it's
not 
> suprising that wealth and property got little negative press.
Asian 
> Buddhist nations have continued to operate in this fashion up
to 
> present times, even as Deng Shao Ping said,
> making money is good.   In those ancient days of the 7th c BCE,
> as in the early days of the takeover of the Americas from the
Indians, 
> resources must have seemed to be in unlimited supply (except to
the 
> America's Indians, who were close to Gandhi's views on the
earth), so 
> aphorisms such as Gandhi's would not have occurred to any
thinking 
> subject. Gandhi of course was a man of the twentieth c., when 
> resources were finally beginning to be perceived as in limited
supply, 
> thanks to the ravages of corporate capitalism.
>
> Tentatively,
> Joanna K.
> =========================
>
>
>  As we all should be.  A rather good article on 'Greed' , by a
Brit 
> who's a Professor of, perhaps surprisingly, Design at New
York's New 
> School, appeared in Britain's 'New Statesman' this week
(http:// 
> www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2008/12/greed-economy-crime-essay),
> one of an increasing number of pieces I've seen on this theme.
> But whilst Dilnot finds time for Hindu, Marxist and, of course,

> capitalist perspectives on the mess that we're in, he doesn't
mention 
> either Gandhi's "Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's
need, 
> but not every man's greed" or the extensive Buddhist
commentary, if I 
> can call it that, concerning greed.  Perhaps he was too worried
by the 
> fact that the five basic precepts mention nothing about
abstaining 
> from wealth or property. If he was, should he have been?
>
> Penuriously,
>
> Steve Hopkins
>
> On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:44, Gary Gach wrote:
>
>> I am
>> reluctant to say "paradigm shift" but there seems a seismic
> upheaval
>> affecting all frameworks at hand (or afoot) ...
>
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