[Buddha-l] Victim? - was Victimized vegans?

[Erik Hoogcarspel]

Christopher Fynn schreef:
> Personally I have serious doubts about these claims. I knew both June 
> Campbell and Kalu Rinpoche very well during that whole time period and 
> saw both of them almost every day. June first made these claims years 
> after the events allegedly took place and, when she initially told the 
> story to personal friends, the Lama she claimed this occurred with was 
> another, younger Tulku at the same monastery with whom she also had a 
> close connection.
>
> When her book came out and the lama concerned in the story had changed 
> to Kalu Rinpoche those to whom she had earlier related the story were 
> quite surprised.
>
> But then the other, much less well known Lama was still alive when she 
> published her book - and Kalu Rinpoche was not there to dispute her 
> claims.
>
>> I must say that I was rather embarrassed when an elderly and 
>> important rinpoche of this tradition kissed me on the mouth and asked 
>> me to visit him early in the morning in his chambers (I cannot 
>> remember his name now).
>
> Homosexual relations are fairly common within many Tibetan monasteries 
> of all traditions. The scandal is that these 'relationships' are often 
> abuse by mature or elderly monks of young boy novices and that these 
> goings on are more or less ignored by many western students who cannot 
> be unaware of the situation.
Not only Tibetan monasteries I'am afraid.

I accept that June Campbells book is disputed. But that was not the only 
case. The lama who kissed me was Pawo Rche, I recall now. I remember 
that of course Trungpa and his clan were a bit loose on the Buddhist 
precepts and Sogyal (who is not a Kargyudpa, but close) sowed also some 
wild oats. There was an affair with a lama Wangchen who lived in Holland 
and screwed his translator untill she preferred the fresh young son of 
the miller nearby above the dirty old man. Lama Wangchen told her to 
leave the house because she was screwing the devil. I loved the story, 
it was a soap right around the corner. I don't particularly blame the 
lamas for being human, and I think that for some the opportunity was to 
good to miss. It never was rape, but in  many cases abuse of position 
and authority is very likely. Many groupies put them into this position 
because they believe the lama's on their word when they say that they 
are superhuman.

In any case if it's any consolation, the Hare Krishna's and the Catholics did much worse.
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Erik


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