[Buddha-l] japanese zen terms: honbun and shusho

[curt]

And thanks for the link to the extremely relevant and interesting 
article by Muller! He also does not use these terms "honbun" and 
"shusho" or anything remotely resembling them. The primary term he uses 
is "essence-function" aka "t'i-yung" or in Japanese "taiyu".

I found it interesting that Muller was pretty hard on 
"Platonic/Christian" "dualistic" "connotations" with respect to the 
English word "essence" as a translation of "t'i". I strongly agree with 
him - except to note that there is far more to Platonism than 
"Platonic/Christian dualism" which never really had very much to do with 
Plato (or Aristotle or Socrates or Greek Philosophy at all). But that's 
a topic for another day. I only mention it because I think that if one 
abandons modern "analytical" as well as "Christianizing" versions of 
Plato, then one has something that can indeed be "used" to approach such 
concepts as "t'i". See, for example, the Phaedrus, the Symposium, the 
Timaeus and the Philebus in which Plato reveals more of his 
"nondualistic" side.

- Curt

Vicente Gonzalez wrote:
> Curt wrote:
>
> c> In a dharma talk contained in the book "Golden Wind", Eido Shimano Roshi uses the terms
> c> "honbun" and "shusho". I am wondering if anyone on this list
> c> has any insight into these terms - or knows of other references for
> c> these terms - or knows of any kind of "literal" or "metaphorical"
> c> definitions to add to what Eido Roshi has to say. 
>
> it is a talk about essence/function, which is a main topic in Chan/Zen
> Buddhism. The Awakening of Faith of Asvagosha it's the central work
> around that.
>
> An scholar paper:
> http://www.hm.tyg.jp/~acmuller/articles/indigenoushermeneutics.htm
>
>
>
> best regards,
>
>
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