[Buddha-l] Vaitulyakas

[jkirk]

Ok got it, suspected I was off track here but never sure----thanks, J
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> Joanna,
> 
> I don't think so.
> 
> There is a textual problem in that Vetullapi.taka seems to be later 
> in Pali and used to explain Veda.lhapi.taka or Vedallapi.taka (the 
> Burmese edition seems always to have the latter) in the earlier 
> commentaries. Veda.lha- is rather cryptic and perhaps just an error. 
> Vedalla- and Vetulla- as Sanskrit Vaitulya, Vaipulya and Vaidalya are 
> all used to refer to one of the 9 or 12 Angas (types of scripture). 
> Mahaayaanists seem to have claimed that their texts belonged to this 
> Anga.
> 
> If from vetaala, you would get in Sanskrit: vaitaalika or vaitaalya 
> and hence in Pali vetaalika or vetalla but never vedalla or vetulla.
> 
> Lance
> 
>>Aren't the titles of this alleged sect derived from these terms for 
>>demons, ghosts, etc, or magic arts? Seems this outfit  were accused 
>>of being up to no good, regardless. Their title and reputation 
>>suggests derogatory labeling. Or is this off-base? I tried finding 
>>Veda.lha in the Pali dictionary and in MW,  but no go.
>>            Joanna
>>
>>
>>MW
>>      vetAla m. (of doubtful derivation) a kind of demon , ghost , 
>>spirit , goblin , vampire (esp. one occupying a dead body) Hariv. 
>>Ka1v. Katha1s. &c. ; N. of one of S3iva's attendants , Ka1lika1P. ; 
>>of a teacher BhP. ; of a poet Cat. ; a door-keeper (?) L. ; (%{A}) 
>>f. a form of Durga1 Va1s. ; (%{I}) f. N. of Durga1 Hariv.
>>
>>
>>Pali dictionary
>>2. Vetala: (page 647)
>>Vetala at D i.6 (in the lists of forbidden crafts) refers to some 
>>magic art. The proper meaning of the word was already unknown when 
>>Bdhgh at DA i.84 explained it as "ghana-- ta?a?" (cymbal beating) 
>>with remark  'mantena mata-- sarir' u??hapanan ti eke" (some take it 
>>to be raising the dead by magic charms)..........
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