[Buddha-l] Soccer mad monks too tired to take alms

[Bankei]

Hi JK.

JK----Yes, of course. But I was citing mae chi, not dana in general, OK? So
why change the subject?

Bankei----- So you agree, dana to Mae Chi will result in merit!


JK------Despite their taking the 8 precepts, just as laypeople do when they
go on retreat in a monastery, they are NOT ordained as monastics and never
were. Monastics take far more than 8 precepts, as I'm sure you know.

Bankei----- Mae Chi shave their heads, wear robes, and live in monasteries
so I think it may depend on whether your definition of a monastic includes
this. Novice's take 10 precepts, Bhikkhu take 227.

Dr Kabilsingh, now  Dhammananda, was actually ordained as a Bhikkhuni in Sri
Lanka in
2003. She has a small temple and is making progress. Not all the Thai sangha
are opposed to the establishment of the Bhikkhuni Sangha in Thailand.

Bankei



On 25/06/06, jkirk <jkirk at spro.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Joanna.
>
> Good reply! But don't you think the Buddha taught that merit is gained by
> giving in general - cannot cite any references off hand though.
>
> JK----Yes, of course. But I was citing mae chi, not dana in general, OK?
> So
> why change the subject?
>
> I agree that Mae Chi are not given the same respect that monks are given.
> They are ordained, though not fully ordained, not even ordained as a
> novice,
> but 'lower'. I beleive they take the 8 precepts and are technically the
> same
> as a layperson.
>
> JK------Despite their taking the 8 precepts, just as laypeople do when
> they
> go on retreat in a monastery, they are NOT ordained as monastics and never
> were. Monastics take far more than 8 precepts, as I'm sure you know.
>
> Also there is no evidence that the Bhikkhuni tradition ever reached
> Thailand. But there is a movement in Thailand to establish the Bhikkhuni
> tradition with 2 or 3 woman now being fully ordained Bhikkhuni including a
> former professor of Buddhism Dr Chatsumarn Kabilsingh (who had published
> many articles and books in English). Lets hope they succeed.
>
> JK---Yes, Dr. Kabilsingh is one whom I was referring to in my previous
> post--I coldn't recall her name, thanks for supplying it. She got ordained
> either in China or Taiwan, I forget which and it really doesn't matter, so
> far as the Theravada Thai sangha is concerned. In their view, she is a
> renegade since the Thai sangha does not allow ordination of bhikkunis.
> Joanna
>
> Regards
>
> Bankei
>
> =============
>
> On 22/06/06, jkirk <jkirk at spro.net> wrote:
> Who says that you do?
> JK
>
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