[Buddha-l] H.H. The Dalai Lama vs Geshe Michael Roach

[Bankei]

Not sure why you would view this dispute in those terms?

Maybe the Office of the Dalai Lama is trying to maintain some
monastic integrity of the ordained community?

A Bhikkhu sexually active is just not acceptable.


Bankei

On 18/08/06, Barnaby Thieme <bathieme at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Weel, you can also see it as a kind of powerplay. Geshe Roach tries to
> fuck
> >up the system and the system has to defend itself. The rules for
> >initiations are a very important part of the game. If those were to lose
> >their absolute validity, the whole semiotic system of tantric initiations
> >would collapse. So I think this is quite important and interesting.
>
> Valid points, all, except I don't see Michael Roach trying to fuck up the
> system, per se. It looks to me like he's just asserting his authority to
> teach, which he has done in a similarly-autonomous way for decades. I
> don't
> remember anyone complaining about Roach when he was running a jewelry
> business and cutting large checks to the Sera monastery, but maybe $2,000
> isn't enough to silence the traditionalists.
>
> I find it interesting that the 'system' is interpreting Roach's actions as
> dissident, now. This gets me back to my original point, which is my
> disgust
> with the metrics being used to evaluate his actions. Supernatural powers
> and
> tradition are poor tools for determining spiritual legitimacy IMHO.
>
> Question - could there be a subtext in play here regarding Roach's
> lineage,
> which has favored propitiation of a certain troublesome protector?
>
> B
>
>
> What kind of strategy will the system use
> >to defend itself? Ignore the deviant, ban him, humiliate him? Another
> thing
> >that would interest me is the psychological dynamics which lead Roach to
> >challenge the system. Why not go along, it's much easier, isn't it?
> >And besides it reminds us of the strong Vedic roots of many Buddhist
> >rituals.
> >
> >Erik
> >
> >
> >www.xs4all.nl/~jehms
> >weblog http://www.volkskrantblog.nl/pub/blogs/blog.php?uid=2950
> >
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