[Buddha-l] Re: Rational or mythological BuddhismandWesternBuddhist lay practice

[jkirk]

Sorry, I accidentally sent this before writing anything-------JK
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Subject: Re: [Buddha-l] Re: Rational or mythological
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard P. Hayes" <rhayes at unm.edu>
> To: "Buddhist discussion forum" <buddha-l at mailman.swcp.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:37 AM
> Subject: [Buddha-l] Re: Rational or mythological Buddhism
andWesternBuddhist
> lay practice
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> > > With all due respect, I don't see why merely having wives, mistresses
or
> > > pets would, in and of themselses, would impede begging. Beggars
> throughout
> > > history have had wives and children, whom they often inveigled into
> begging
> > > as well.
> >
> > Religious mendicants in Magadha at the time of the Buddha were expected
> > to be celibate. If you read the commentaries to the vinaya rules you
> > find it said again and again that Buddhist monks were expected to follow
> > various rules, lest the village people talk. Apparently one of the
> > things that caused villagers to talk was religious beggars who had
> > families to support. Moreverover, the Buddha seems to have been mindful
> > of taking precautions against his community being any kind of burden on
> > the supporting community. That is the reason for celibacy stated in the
> > vinaya.
> >
> > > No, the reasons for requiring celibacy were otherwise, most
importantly
> > > perhaps that married men with children could not be expected to submit
> to
> > > the routines nor the discipline of monastic communitarian living.
> >
> > That reason is not the one given in the vinaya. Of course, the vinaya
> > may have been lying.
> >
> > > I daresay the women would not have put up with monasticism, either!
> >
> > Why not? Don't you think some women would prefer a well-behaved husband
> > to a gambler, drinker and womanizer?
> >
> > --
> > Richard Hayes
> > Department of Philosophy
> > University of New Mexico
> >
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